Reviewing Cellared Beers

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by maximum12, Dec 31, 2019.

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  1. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Single new-to-me beers get reviewed immediately. If I buy multiple with plans to cellar, I'll review it fresh then go back and update if I find different results after cellaring. But - I would never lower my score if it tanked due to cellaring.

    I've run into this with CBS, where I upped my score when it had been aged about 6 months. When cellared FBS tasted like green peppers or cellared BA Fidy got less bold, I commented on it but didn't lower the score.
     
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  2. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    But the person that unknowingly opens an infected 2015 could have looked at the reviews for that beer in and around 2015...if they were completely oblivious to everything that happened that year.
     
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  3. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    I have no idea when the purpose statement you quoted was written, but I suspect it was long after many ratings had been entered into this site. My point is that the powers that be at this particular site have superceded their users' preferences for how they wish to utilize this platform with their own (at least in terms of official policy, of which few users are aware let alone follow). The vast majority of ratings these days -- by multiple orders of magnitude -- take place at Untappd, which, as far as I know, has much more liberal, and I would say "user-friendly, " ratings policies (in the sense that users are given few if any official directives as to how they should rate).

    I'll add that this site and Untappd seem to produce very similar numeric aggregate ratings for most beers. I think that the idea that BeerAdvocate users are applying some higher standard of discipline or are more sophisticated than Untappd users on average when it comes to ratings is "baloney." I do think the written reviews at any site are far more valuable to both the rater and the reader than are mere numeric ratings, and there's a higher proportion of written reviews here than on Untappd.
     
  4. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Dec 23, 2014, I provided the link....
    You contradict yourself here. The fact that a higher proportion of ratings here are in the form of written reviews means both that they are more useful AND that they are applied with more discipline. Sophistication? IDK about that. But I do believe that a higher percentage of the written reviews here are posted by more knowledgeable / experienced consumers than the typical Untapped user. I suspect the ratings without written reviews are more or less equivalent between the two. I have no knowledge to back that up. It is just my opinion based on experience here and occasional visits to Untapped.
     
  5. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    For me, it all depends on the style. Styles that are meant to be cellared or aged are fair game to reviewed as such. Styles that aren't meant to be aged, should be reviewed as fresh as possible.

    As for infections ... if a beer is truly infected, then its fair game to be reviewed as such. But, the reviewer should be careful to be sure that they aren't reviewing a beer as infected for something that might have been caused by the reviewer and not the brewer. For example, 2015 BCBS - got a bad bottle? then its fair game to review as infected. Left a bottle in your car for an extended period of time in July? Maybe don't assume the problem with the beer is the brewers fault.
     
  6. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    How is a thread a more effective way of describing how a specific beer is drinking than the beer's profile page?

    Users and site visitors visit our beer pages to see how a beer tastes, smells, 'rates', etc.. To omit this data because it was poorly executed by the brewery is a disservice to consumers. With "Thread Talkers" and even Google pointing users to the beer profile pages, this is the best way to disseminate information vs. tucking it into the regional section of the forum.
     
  7. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    'Ctrl' and 'F' keys pressed together give a search function for users on Microsoft Windows products. A user could pull up a beer's profile page and then search key terms individually with the function.

    Personally, I use this quite a lot in my general operation of the site. Not only does it help find keywords within lists or reviews, but it also helps narrow down search results provided by the site.
     
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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Huh! Never knew that Ctrl-F trick. Learn something everyday. Thanks for the tip.
     
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  9. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Damn man. 75% of my work day every damn day for 2 decades is Ctrl+f-ing
     
  10. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    Same here. Thanks @Harrison8 :clap::+1::beers:
     
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  11. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Disagree. The bugs didn't climb into the bottle, it was infected when it left the brewery. Fair game.
     
  12. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Perhaps if BA provided reviews of BA beer by vintage...?[/QUOTE]

    Which they do, provided there are significant variations in the base beer.

    A brewery brews the same beer, ages it in the same type barrels every year? No, we don't need vintages.

    The same base beer, in rye barrels one year, bourbon the next, gin the next? Sure thing!
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree with you. I think it was mentioned above but it bears repeating, an infected beer should be reviewed to serve as a warning to anyone reading the review with the purpose of making a decision on the purchase of the beer. A mention should also be made regarding the age of the beer if known because that same beer on the shelf may be an earlier, same or later batch.
     
  14. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    For those who don't know, there is a great thread for cellar reviews over in the aging/cellaring forums. Great place to deposit reviews of intentionally and unintentionally aged beers. Also a good resource for opinions about various beers sweet spots from lots of experienced folks
     
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  15. bluejacket74

    bluejacket74 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,305) Jul 4, 2005 Ohio
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    Yeah, when I review beers I always try and say when it was bottled/canned, provide the vintage year or at least try and guesstimate when I bought it. The more information people have about the beer, the better.
     
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