Revisiting ISO:FT replies

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
    STAFF Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah

    After reading the "So, how's beer trading going?" and "So, What's it going to take?" feedback threads, I decided to take a fresh look at replies in ISO:FT; we turned off replies not so long ago. Like I said, the bro and I are not 100% closed to the idea. We just need to find the right solution. I also fully understand why many of you would like replies to return to ISO:FT; it often leads to useful info/learning.

    So, I took some time tonight and found some add-ons that would allow us to:
    • Force/default sorting of any given forum by date posted vs. date last replied; so replies would not bump threads.
    • Enforce thread quota rules. Example: we could set this so that a beer trader could only post a new ISO:FT thread 3 times a week, but would be free to reply to threads.
    On top of this:
    • We can also create a Beer Trader user group that would allow users to post in the ISO:FT forum only after they've been a member for a specific period of time; whatever we come up with.
    • We'd be willing to promote a couple of trustworthy BAs to act as beer trading mods.
    • Look into public warnings to help other BAs learn.
    • Add stickies for the Bad Traders list and Beer Trading 101; as previously discussed.
    Anyway. I'm not saying replies will return at this time, but I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts based on the above; if implemented.

    Thanks again to everyone who's been taking the time to provide their feedback in these threads.
     
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  2. JohnGalt1

    JohnGalt1 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,880) Aug 10, 2005 Idaho
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Any thought on giving the OP of an ISO/FT thread to allow/disallow replies themselves?

    I have no idea on the coding nightmare, but my thought is some folks don't want replies in their trading posts. Personally, I don't really give a shit. When replies were allowed, I simply asked that folks not thread-shit and I am pretty sure people always complied if memory serves.

    Other than that, I think you've hit the nail on the head.

    1st two points are great.

    #3 Trade post time limit is a good idea... No idea on the timeline... but I would think 4-6 months, but that may be too long... However, I think that members should have a vested interest in the site and the community before jumping into trading... Also, the time spent cooling their heels would give them some time for "education".

    #4 Mods will take some pressure off you guys obviously.

    #5 Beer Trading 101 sticky is great.

    #5.5 Bad Trader sticky sounds like a good idea, but could be a hassle in the long run because "what makes a bad trader?" ... What happens if the trader makes good and then becomes a glowing BA trader gifting Black Tuesday or KTG in every trade? Is he still "Bad" or "Trade with caution"? I think this would also need a mod of some sort.

    Cheers and big props for giving an ear to the trading hoards.
     
  3. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    I would love to see any and all of these implemented. Solid!
     
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  4. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Pooh-Bah

    That would be fantastic. I think you'd hit pretty much every trading forum want except feedback (and we know that needs to wait a bit).
     
  5. RochesterAaron

    RochesterAaron Initiate (0) May 24, 2007 New York

    Sounds great to me.
     
  6. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    I like what Galt said about being able to turn on/off replies. Although I do think stigma would shroud all those that chose NOT to allow comments claiming the poster doesn't want the market to speak, and blah, blah, we want to tell people what their beer is worth bullshit.

    Mods would be great, but could be overly conservative. Sometimes feedback can be constructive, but I've yet to see a majority of replies in the ISO:FT to amount to anything more than berating, or brown-nosing (see obligatory: this should get done - my boy BAMF6969 is the shit! Hook him up!).

    Anyways, like all the other goods and most of the changes you all have been doing. Thanks for the free site!

    cheers
    harry
     
  7. Ynot2

    Ynot2 Zealot (641) Jul 24, 2009 California
    Trader

    Great ideas. I liked the ability to reply to ISO:FT, some folks just don't know what to ask for and ask way too much or not enough for what they have. The idea of trader mods is something that will be welcomed by true beer advocates, if replies are allowed, let us police ourselves. Limited number of ISO:FT threads and a Beer Trading Group with a set amount of time on BA should enhance the forum. Thanks for listening to our suggestions and/or whining.
     
  8. JeepCop

    JeepCop Initiate (0) May 16, 2010 Kansas
    Trader

    Fully on board with the potential changes. Thanks for listening and being open to suggestions!
     
  9. sobeleg

    sobeleg Savant (1,098) Jun 29, 2011 New York
    Trader

    This sounds great. I think that this will help turn the trading forum/culture back to how it was pre-board implosion.
     
  10. Mandark

    Mandark Zealot (587) Apr 8, 2008 Illinois

    As an only occasional trader I appreciate seeing the return of replies to ISO:FT, and think the non-bumping aspect is a great idea. While there was b.s. involved often, there was also learning going on for newer traders such as myself, though maybe not always in the way posters intended. Plus: entertaining reading.

    My only question: If you create a new Beer Trader group with posting privileges based on length of membership, how long would it take those of us who only create a thread very rarely to be allowed to post an ISO? EDIT: Re-read, saw your point about a vague length of membership time for posting.

    All the other options you mention are logical and would be welcomed. I like the idea of moderators. Also, the ability of the OP to disallow comments, if that's possible.

    Thanks for all the work and the opportunity to be a part of this community.
     
  11. TomFoolery_x

    TomFoolery_x Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Illinois
    Trader

    I like all of those guidelines except maybe one of them

    I don't know if there needs to be a limit to how many ISO:FT threads you can create. If youre trading 6 times a week, more power to ya! That's about the only thing I would disapprove of
     
  12. apocalypsezombie

    apocalypsezombie Initiate (0) May 12, 2012

    You make 6 trades a week and you'll end up messing up... Badly.
     
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  13. TomFoolery_x

    TomFoolery_x Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Illinois
    Trader

    Yes and no. I could totally see it. But for someone who has their shit together, it's definitely possible :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  14. Ynot2

    Ynot2 Zealot (641) Jul 24, 2009 California
    Trader

    If you re doing six trades a week you probably have regulars and do not need to post ISO threads.
     
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  15. apocalypsezombie

    apocalypsezombie Initiate (0) May 12, 2012

    Also true.
     
  16. TomFoolery_x

    TomFoolery_x Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Illinois
    Trader

    I think you guys are missing the point.. 6 trades=6 ISO:FT threads. I dont think a limit is necessary
     
  17. apocalypsezombie

    apocalypsezombie Initiate (0) May 12, 2012

    Don't worry, you'll get it.
     
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  18. AgentZero

    AgentZero Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    If you're going to allow replies I think the items you listed would be great to implement. That said, the only time I've ever cared to reply lately to any ISO:FT's is to tell people how completely stupid their posts are. Of course, the same thing is accomplished by the person not getting any offers in their inbox, making that type of post unnecessary. Way too many replies just end up degenerating into an argument over whether the OP's offer is good or bad, often times by people trying to protect the value of their own beers. For that reason, I've been happy without the replies, but think that the items you're considering implementing might be able to curb those types of posts.
     
  19. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2010 California

    These are both great ideas.

    I think if the first bullet is implemented then replies would be welcomed. It would also curb auction and ludicrous threads from newer members flooding the ISO:FT forum.

    As far as moderators I would pick those with several years under their belt and fewer than 200 posts.
     
  20. SaisonFest

    SaisonFest Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2012 Washington

    Mikesgroove and jojo agree with you.

    If you don't know these backstories, your input is 100% completely invalid.
     
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