Ruination Clone

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  1. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    Any one brew the Ruination clone that was posted on BYO a couple years back? Thinking about doing this for my first extract batch on new years.

    https://byo.com/stories/issue/item/3126-stone-ruination-ipa-clone

    Stone Ruination IPA clone
    (5 gallons/19 L, extract with grains)
    OG = 1.075 FG = 1.010
    IBU = 100+ SRM = 6 ABV = 7.7%

    Ingredients
    7.25 lbs. (3.3 kg) light dried malt extract
    1.0 lb. (0.45 kg) Briess 2-row malt
    1.0 lb. (0.45 kg) Briess crystal malt (15 ºL)
    1 tsp. Irish moss (15 minutes)
    36 AAU Magnum hops (60 mins) (2.25 oz./64 g of 16.0% alpha acids)
    16 AAU Centennial hops (0 mins, steep for 5 mins) (1.5 oz./43 g of 10.5% alpha acid)
    22.0 oz. (57 g) Centennial whole hops (dry hops)
    1 tsp. Irish moss (15 mins)
    White Labs WLP002 (English Ale) yeast (2 qt./2 L yeast starter)
    7⁄8 cup corn sugar (for priming)

    Step by Step
    Steep the two crushed grains in 3 qts.
    (3 L) of water at 149 ºF (65 ºC) for 45 minutes. Remove grains from wort, add water to make 6.0 gallons (23 L) of wort, add malt extract and bring to a boil,. Boil for 60 minutes, adding hops at the times indicated in the recipe list. Cool the wort, aerate and pitch yeast. Ferment at 68 ºF (20 ºC) and hold at this temperature until the yeast has finished fermentation. Add Centennial hops and dry hop for 3 to 5 days.
     
  2. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,123) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I never have, but I would trust to BYO recipe to be good enough to brew as is first and then tweek from there to better suit your system. With 22oz. of whole cone dry hop, you will have quite a bit of absorption. Not sure how much since I'm not taking my computer out to calculate, but just an observation. Good luck.
     
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  3. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    22 oz doesn't equal 57g's...there's a missed decimal. I'm assuming that should read "2.2 oz" not "22 oz"
     
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  4. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,123) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Ha. Yep seemed excessive on its face. I should have caught that. With a 22oz. DH you wouldn't end up with enough beer to be worth the cost.
     
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  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,283) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    BYO's Ruination recipe comes straight from the horse's mouth.

    I've brewed the AG version almost 20x.
    It's fookin'delicious.
     
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  6. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    I like hearing that. i have all the gear to do all grain but being as its my first brew period I'm just gonna stick with the extract version the first time until I'm comfortable. Then if i love it ill brew it all grain too.
     
  7. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    Also 57g is closer to 2OZ then it is 2.2OZ. do you guys measure in grams or OZ's or does it not make that big a difference?
     
  8. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,123) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Personally, when it comes to situations like this, I go with the even number so I don't have to throw away a partial bag of hops or have to sit on them wondering if I can count on them for the next batch that needs them.

    I measure grains in oz and hops/water salts in g. The higher the alpha acid, the more important it is to measure accurately in a clone or to-style recipe. A extra 14g of 2% hallertau makes a much less significant difference than 14g of 14-17% magnum or apollo. But if I had purchased 3-1oz. packs of centennial, I'd put in either 2oz or the entire third oz. than have to babysit 0.8oz.
     
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  9. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Reading this recipe kinda blows me away. People are literally putting a pound or more of hops in their IPA/IIPAs, this is checking in under a half pound and I'm sure packs the same punch
     
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  10. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    One of my major considerations when either following or developing a recipe is how smartly does it use the ingredients. For example, I have substituted a much smaller amount of Magnum for a 90 minute addition when the original recipe called for nearly 1/2 # of Saaz.
     
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  11. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    That's just crazy
     
  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Just how important is that decimal point " . " ? Here is Stone's published recipe for Ruination . . . and yes, they have the decimal point wrong here also. If anyone actually dh'ed with 22 oz's in a 5 gallon batch I'd like to be there when they opened the lid!

    For the OP: of interest in the linked article is Stone's technique for whirlpooling and dh'ing. Some is unique to their equipment, but I found it to be helpful. Now if they could only go back and move that stinkin' dot.
     
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  13. Derek

    Derek Grand Pooh-Bah (3,083) Apr 2, 2005 Canada (BC)
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    They changed the recipe... Maybe a couple years ago? Now it's stronger and has more hops. I prefer the original, as posted.
     
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  14. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    Brewed this today. Had fun. Learned alot. 6 gallon pre boil ended with 4.5 gallons. Used all whole leaf hops rather than pellets. OG was 1.082
     
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  15. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    Also had a great time with the auto siphon clogging from the hops lol
     
  16. PintOh1759

    PintOh1759 Crusader (478) Oct 29, 2014 Missouri
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    question about fermentation temps. I have my chamber set at 68F but realistically its never dead on 68 its jumps from 67 to 69 on and off. is keeping a perfectly stable temp that big of a deal when it comes to 1 degree plus or minus or is it even a factor?
     
  17. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    The goal is to keep your wort/beer at a constant temp, it's okay for the air temps to bounce around. It takes a long time to change the temp of 5 gallons of liquid by even one degree . . . your 67 - 69 will never be a problem here. I normally have my differential around 8 degrees (± 4°) and the liquid barely moves. This is easy to test: fill a 750 wine bottle with water and place in your ferm chamber with a thermo, liquid temp will stay the same in your narrow range of air temps. This is exactly how your home fridge keeps liquids at the same temp.

    Of more importance is accounting for the exothermic reaction of fermentation. When the yeast take off the liquid temps may rise as much as 6° depending on intensity of fermentation. So to maintain 68 you'll want an air temp below this level. A thermowell with probe is the best way to measure this, a simpler (less accurate) approach is to place your thermo on the side of the fermentor covered with bubble wrap. I would tend to error on being slightly too cool versus too warm for this type recipe.
     
  18. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I had this beer a few days ago and.... well, what is the dominant hop flavor in this beer? Because I'm sure it's not my favorite. I have a feeling its Centennial which is bad because my fermentor is currently working on NB's Dead Ringer, a Bells Two-Hearted clone.

    Not that I won't drink it all, mind you.
     
  19. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I have a question that has been bothering me for a little bit. If a recipe, like the one here, says "5 gallons", is that the final yield? So if you end up with 4.5 gallons, should you top off with .5 gallon to get the final amount?
     
  20. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,123) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    5 gal to fermenter

    As far as topping off, you can, but it would effect your og and ibus, so you need to take that into account if you want to help you decide.
     
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