Russian Imperial Stout Help

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  1. argyle324

    argyle324 Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2013 Colorado

    I'm relatively new to homebrewing, but I've been wanting to create my own recipe since I started. This is my first attempt at a partial mash recipe, so if anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your feedback on the grains, measurements, and hop combinations. Is there something I should substitute? Is there anything I'm forgetting?

    Crystal Malt 100L 12 oz.
    Chocolate Malt 12 oz.
    Black Patent Malt 2 oz.
    CaraPils 3 oz.
    Roasted Barley 3 oz.
    Gold LME 11 lbs.
    Corn Sugar 1 lb.

    Hops:
    Challenger--1 oz. (60 minutes)
    Progress--0.50 oz. (30 minutes)
    Fuggle--0.50 oz. (5 minutes)

    Yeast: Wyeast 1056

    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    What is your projected OG, FG, and IBUs? Is this for 5 gallons?

    Also, are you shooting for a thick mouthfeel?

    If you are doing a partial mash, you will need base malt, but from the specialty malts you are including i believe you can just steep those.

    Edit: If shooting for a thicker mouthfeel, you will want to drop the corn sugar and possibly choose a less attenuative yeast.

    As HB42 said below, make sure you pitch enough yeast for this one. On top of that make sure to keep the ferm temp closely monitored or you will have a beer with a lot of fusel flavors.
     
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  3. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    I'm assuming this is for 5 gallons. Your recipe is short on the dark roasted grains for an RIS, I would increase the the roasted barley and/or black patient considerably. 3 of carapils isn't going to hurt anything but its a waste of time, I would either omit it or increase it. This looks short on IBUs to me. Plan on making a yeast starter. Also, just FYI, this is not a partial mash as the recipes does not contain any enzymatic malt, it's an extract with steeping grains, not that theres anything wrong with that.
     
  4. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    short on ibu's and roasted grains. sugar may not be necessary.
     
  5. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    i did a five gallon RIS with 1.5 lb chocolate and 1.5 lb of roast once. this is the other extreme but mine tasted great.
     
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    And/or a blown airlock and krausen on the ceiling.
     
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  7. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I like what HB42 had to say as I was thinking the same thing. For a RIS you need to have a more robust roast flavor then what your recipe has. I am not sure what your AA's are on your Challenger but my guess is that you should double it. Your recipe would probably be tasty as is with the addition of more bittering hops but would be more of a imperial Porter. Good luck!
     
  8. argyle324

    argyle324 Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2013 Colorado

    Yes, it is for 5 gallons. I haven't calculated the OG, FG, or IBUs yet. Is there a calculator you would recommend? I'd prefer a moderate mouthfeel. Are the amounts of grains I'm using going to give a thicker mouthfeel? I'm looking for something along the lines of Stone's RIS.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    BrewCipher 3.0 spreadsheet perhaps.
     
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  10. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Here's a clone recipe, just FYI:

    Stone Imperial Russian Stout clone
    (5 gallons/19 L, partial mash)
    OG = 1.096 FG = 1.020
    IBU = 90+ SRM = 93 ABV = 10%

    Ingredients
    8.75 lbs. (4.0 kg) light dried malt extract
    2.0 lbs. (0.91 kg) amber malt
    1.25 lbs. (0.34 kg) roast barley
    1.25 lbs. (0.34 kg) black malt
    30 AAU Warrior hops (60 mins) (1.9 oz/53 g of 16% alpha acids)
    White Labs WLP002 (English Ale) yeast (3 qt./3 L yeast starter)
    7⁄8 cup corn sugar (for priming)
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'll share a story to a new brewer,(argyle324). :wink: I just opened up a 10% beer that I brewed 18 months ago. I'm sure as shit glad that I really had my technique and brew skills sharp for that one. Otherwise, my bad beer will stlll be bad beer in a bottle 18 months from now. Just cross your t's and your heart that you make this right. If you think that you can make strides towards making better beers, you shouldn't attempt to make a big beer. Get the technique down first and then make something you are proud to cellar away. Treat it like a wine--It'll be better in 12 month to 2 years.
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The answer is this...
    http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Great-Beers-Ultimate-Brewing/dp/0937381500
     
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  13. argyle324

    argyle324 Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2013 Colorado

    Thanks for all the insight, I really appreciate it. I used a calculator on brewersfriend.com and revised the recipe. Here are the new measurements and calculations:

    Title: Containment Russian Imperial Stout
    Brew Method: Extract
    Style Name: Russian Imperial Stout
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Batch Size: 5 gallons (fermentor volume)
    Boil Size: 6 gallons
    Boil Gravity: 1.081
    Efficiency: 35% (steeping grains only)
    STATS:
    Original Gravity: 1.097
    Final Gravity: 1.024
    ABV (standard): 9.56%
    IBU (tinseth): 69.8
    SRM (morey): 40
    FERMENTABLES:
    11 lb - Liquid Malt Extract - Light (64.7%)
    1 lb - Corn Sugar - Dextrose (5.9%)
    STEEPING GRAINS:
    20 oz - American - Caramel / Crystal 120L (7.4%)
    16 oz - American - Chocolate (5.9%)
    20 oz - American - Roasted Barley (7.4%)
    8 oz - American - Carapils (Dextrine Malt) (2.9%)
    16 oz - American - Black Malt (5.9%)
    HOPS:
    2 oz - Challenger, Type: Pellet, AA: 8, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 46.05
    0.5 oz - Fuggles, Type: Pellet, AA: 4.5, Use: Boil for 45 min, IBU: 5.95
    1 oz - Progress, Type: Pellet, AA: 6.25, Use: Boil for 45 min, IBU: 16.51
    0.5 oz - Fuggles, Type: Pellet, AA: 4.5, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 1.29
    YEAST:
    Wyeast - American Ale 1056
    Starter: No
    Form: Liquid
    Attenuation (avg): 75%
    Flocculation: Med-Low
    Optimum Temp: 60 - 72 F
    Fermentation Temp: 68 F
    Pitch Rate: 1.0 (M cells / ml / deg P)


    Also, @inchrisin, thanks or the story; I don't expect to brew this as my next batch, I'm just trying to get some experience creating recipes while I'm sitting around at work not doing anything. Your advice is great, though. This beer is definitely bigger than my skills as a homebrewer.
     
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  14. MNHazmat

    MNHazmat Devotee (384) Oct 23, 2008 Minnesota

    Swap the carapils for caramunich 60L, and back the c120 down to 8oz. Add 8oz Special B.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps you could tell the OP what your changes would do for his beer.
     
  16. argyle324

    argyle324 Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2013 Colorado

    Yes, what would these changes do? How would they affect the beer?
     
  17. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Why? What's wrong with carapils? Why add caramunich 60L and Special B to a beer that already has 120L? Will any of these changes even make an appreciable difference in a big roasty RIS like this?
     
  18. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I thought that was a bit high on the C120 too. Raisiny flavors come from that one, no? I guess it depends how much of that flavor you want. But I doubt it will be a major big deal either way, it's just a thought.

    well Al... you thought. that's where you went wrong! :rolling_eyes:

    Also I wouldn't bother with the 0.5 fuggles at 45, add the whole ounce of fuggles at 5. I say this because fuggles is good and earthy and IMO is a great hop for stouts (and other styles too, but especially stouts). However, it's not real strong, and the subtleties of its flavor won't be very noticeable if you boil it that long. You could probably add 2 oz fuggles at 5 minutes and they would still be great in this beer (I love fuggles!).
     
  19. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'd personally nix the sugar. It'll up the ABV and will take more time for the beer to shape up, if it does. It'll taste like someone dropped a shot of vodka into each glass of your RIS. BOOZY, feusal nodes are offputting to me and can be achieved just as easily by fermenting too warm. Don't do that either. :slight_smile:

    Everything looks just a little out of proportion to me. I'd up the LME by 2# and skim some of the steeping grains. I've never delt with more than a pound of ANY of those grains in an RIS and the roast and bitterness comes through quite nicely. Come to think of it, I haven't dealt with more than half a pound of any of those and my RISs have come out nicely.

    It's your beer and totally up to you.

    Good luck.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Not much to add other than damn that'll be expensive with all that extract.

    I did a RIS back in May that turned out well.
    2# roasted barley
    1.5# chocolate malt
    .5# black patent
    1# crystal 120
    .5# crystal 60
    1# flaked oats

    Was a 1.125 OG stout. I used a pound of Demerara sugar in mine as well. I also hopped it to around 95 or so IBU?

    Keep your temps down its violent. I ended up around 1.027 FG I think. It's boozy and very roasty. Rich doesn't even start to describe it
     
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