Russian River Pliny the Younger (bottles)

This one closed: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-at-iso-pty.633421/

 

Anyone know what RR is charging for bottles?

 

10 buckheads if memory serves right

 

whether it's $5,10,15 this isn't going to trade $4$.

 

Someone

on IG someone posted that he got in line at 9am and was still waiting @2:45pm to get in. So it’s not the just the $ amount that goes into it, it’s the time.

 

No, no, no.

 

This x1000. No one is forcing you to stand in line.

 

You are correct no is forcing me to stand in line just like no is forcing people to trade. However I value my time and to me and only speaking for myself I factor this into trading. So please don’t tell me it isn’t, for you and whoever feels that it isn’t good for you. No hard feelings and like what most people say: it’s just beer.

 

While I do agree, my time is valuable. But if I went around adding my hourly rate for standing in line for a limited beer then I’d never get a trade done because you’re adding arbitrary value to something that can’t really be quantified.

It’s easy to abstract value from bottle counts, limits, etc but when you start to artificially increase the value of the beer you’re trading because you had to stand in line for it well that’s just ridiculous.

People trading a bottle of kbbs don’t add in that they had to drive to Iowa and spend $100 on a single 12oz bottle and expect your $4$ trade to cover their gas and hotel, and it’s the same thing for you standing in line.

 

Again where did I say I was quantifying my time? I only said time is a factor. Do I really want to take the time to go to x brewery and spend x amount of time to make a specific trade and spend x amount of money. I make the determination if it is worth it to me and make the trade. I’m not adding value for my time nor am I artificially increasing the value especially if I already made the trade prior to actually getting the beer. I think you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

 

There’s no barking. Just difference of opinion. You have your way, I have mine. All perfectly ok and we don’t have to agree with each other.

 

It’s not a difference of opinion, and you are correct: we don’t we don’t have to agree with other. You made assumption and you were wrong and that’s ok.

 

LOL

 

LOL - pretty sure this is all beer trading. Every secondary value is a completely made up figure that someone believes they can get for X beer.

All limeted bottles that are trading for hundreds of dollars secondary are artificially increased values, whether you come up with that value because of limited bottle counts, or standing in line for 6 hours. (In PTYs case, both) No bottle of beer is worth several hundred dollars, so don’t say he’s artificially increasing the value. Anyone on this site that is NOT trading $4$ has artificially increased the value of whatever it is they have FT

 

@Bhubbard34
We aren’t talking about bottles being sold on secondary. I don’t buy secondary and don’t use that to value my bottle/s. If it’s $4$ there’s no issue. But when it comes to limited/brewery release bottles I would never increase the value because I waited in line. For crying out loud I regularly send brewery only stuff as extras. That’s not a burden for anyone else to bear, because no one is forcing me to spend my time that way. You’re choosing to do that knowing it might be a diminishing return. Agree to disagree but your time spent in line shouldn’t increase the “value” of your bottle.

 

Why not? What factors affect perceived value? I think it is a fairly simple equation- Cost of beer, quality of beer, scarcity of beer, time to acquire beer. Sure, if someone drives from Ohio to HF to get a bottle of Flora Cuvee, no one in their right might will factor the 12 hour drive into the value, but waiting in line should definitely be a factor. I think there is a disconnect (mostly generational but no exclusively) between traders who factor in all the above equation and those that keep it simple $4$. My intuition is that most trades that are not between long time trading partners follow the equation as I outlined and I would further speculate, that most trades period follow that equation. For what its worth, most of my trades have been roughly $4$- I have gone over on my side to equate for one of the variables above, and have benefited from the same. I will even give an example of a trade that closed for me that both sides were happy. I once traded (two years ago) 25 dollars of Tree House IPAs ( KG, VG, DG, two curiosities for a bottle of Fou Foune. I drove to meet the guy at his work. He had a hookup to get Cantillon for a little over cost- we both won. Those are the trades I look for.

 

So has any one completed any other trades for this soon to be malt bomb yet? Now that everyone's perceived value has been figured out.

 

Actually...not true.

This trade closed for me.

1 PtY and 1 2020 BL Jam the Radar

for 1 bottle of Dickel Bottled in Bond.

essentially $40 on each side. $4$.

 

Him:
Floodland - Transmigration of Light b2 +

Me:
Younger x2
Elder x2
Blind pig x2


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