rye pale ale help

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  1. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    So I'm looking for some comments to help me get a recipe nailed down. This is the first time I've tried to put something together myself, so go easy on me. I'm looking to make a small BIAB batch of spicy, drinkable rye pale ale. The grain bill is percentages right now because I haven't determined batch size yet for logistical reasons. Same problem with hops.

    Pale 2-row - 60%
    Malted Rye - 15%
    Rye Flakes - 5%
    Munich - 10%
    Honey -10%

    Bittering Hops - Magnum
    Flavor and aroma - Galaxy and Mosaic

    Right now I'm leaning towards a 1.5 gallon batch, which makes hop quantities annoying small to avoid blowing up the IBUs. For aroma I think I'll steep at the end of the boil.

    Any thoughts or comments? I'd really appreciate any advice, either in grist construction or hop quantities/usage. Thanks.
     
  2. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    Forgot to include some other thoughts I had. Shooting for an OG around 1.06-1.07, IBU 60-70. Probably use US-05 yeast unless someone can provide a compelling alternative. Thanks again for any help.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say you're on the right track, given your stated goal. Here's the grain bill from a recent Pale Ale with Rye that I made...

    Crisp Maris Otter: 59%
    Munich (9 L): 14%
    Rye Malt: 14%
    Briess C40: 9%
    Victory: 5%

    I wonder about your flaked rye in addition to the Rye Malt. Any particular reeason for both types?
     
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  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Regarding your hops: I am suspicious of Mosiac in this recipe. I get tropical fruit from it . . . is this what you want in a rye ale? Have not used Galaxy, but notes on it are more of the same. If you know you like this fruity flavor/aroma you have the right mix, but I would lean more toward the old standbys like Simcoe/Centennial/Cascade/Willamette. For steeping, consider an addition well after you stop the boil.

    I routinely make odd-sized batches and recommend you bite the bullet and buy a small digital scale. They are less than ten bucks and you can measure 0.15 ounces of hops as easily as 1.0 ounce. Also ideal for priming sugar and water-treatment chemicals . . . and you get a free postal scale to boot.
     
  5. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    Thanks for responding, guys. I included both forms of rye because in reading around the internet I got the impression that it was fairly typical, that the flakes impart a more aggressive character, and that keeping the malted rye would keep any conversion concerns minimized. So I kept both to try to balance those thoughts. Misguided?

    As for hops, I really enjoyed Terrapin's Mosaic Red Rye, and I wanted to try to put my own spin on it. Do you think the inclusion of both galaxy and mosaic might be a bit too complicated?

    Oh, and I have a digital scale, accurate to a gram. I just wish it measured down to an even greater degree, and maybe I should just purchase one that can do that. I try to be really precise with most things (the wife prefers the term "anal").
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    With your 60% 2-row, you could use 40% flaked rye and have no conversion problems. Not saying you should go that high, just that the conversion issue doesn't need to be a consideration.
     
  7. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    Do you think 20% of malted rye will bring an appreciable rye character? I very much like rye, and I want it to be noticeable without overpowering it. Any thoughts on the Munich and honey proportions? I'm debating swapping the Munich for some caramel 80.
     
  8. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Using different rye grains will give you a more complex rye flavor. The unmalted rye will give you a more aggressive rye flavor.

    I'd rethink some of the ingredients. Not sure I get the reason for the honey malt. Not very common for pale ales and I think you're getting flavors going in too many directions with the choice of hops plus rye plus the honey malt. If you're looking for a touch of sweetness then a small amount of crystal malt might be a better fit (with or without the munich). Also not sure I buy into the hop selection. I've had beers with rye and really fruity hops like those you have selected but I'm not sure it screams out as a good combination in a pale ale. That might just be my preferences. I know there are rye pales and rye IPAs with a variety of the newer hops. I'd suggest spending some time thinking about exactly what you want this beer to be and work up from there on your recipe.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would say so.
     
  10. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I love complicated hop profiles. Sounds like you are familiar with Mosiac . . . but thinking Galaxy might not offer much of a contrast. I feel the Big M would go nicely with the C-Hops/Simcoe/Willamette . . . I find two hops work so well I often add three.
     
  11. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    I'll probably switch to all malted rye, move 5% from honey to Munich, and try either cascade or citra for the galaxy. Thoughts?
     
  12. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    Another question: how large should the late hop additions be? Is .25oz appropriate given the batch size?
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't think there is just one right answer to that. How much hop flavor/aroma do you want?
     
  14. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    I realize it's subjective, and the problem is that I don't know how the hop quantities will translate to the end product. I don't want a hop bomb, but I do want an assertive presence.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It sounds like you're just doing a bittering addition and a flameout addition.

    I'd say 0.25 oz at flameout in a 1.5 gallon batch would not give you a hop bomb, but should survive into the bottle. I wouldn't be afraid to go a little higher either.
     
  16. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    Right now my thoughts on hops are leaning towards Citra for bittering (.25oz), then add .25oz Mosaic at 30min, with .25oz of each of those added at flameout. Does that seem reasonable?
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Unless your Citra and Mosaic have lower alpha acid content than is typical for them, this would to be very bitter for a 1.5 gallon batch of pale ale. You really need to run your numbers into some sort of brewing software/calculator.
     
  18. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    I threw it into Brewersfriend.com, and with .25oz Citra at 60 and .5oz Mosaic at 30, it's clocking in just under 80 IBUs. Seem off?
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You're talking about a Pale Ale, like an Amercan Pale Ale (not an IPA or DIPA), right? Yes, 80 calculated IBUs would be a bit high. Plus, your flameout addition will also add some bitterness.
     
  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Disclaimer: skimmed the posts

    Nix the Honey AND the Munich for a Pale Ale showcasing Rye (IMHO)
     
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