Saison ferment.

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  1. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    fermenting my first Saison right now.
    Transfered to a secondary (dont normally do that) after 14 days.
    Almost to final gravity.
    Now how long do you leave a saison after that before bottling?
    Normally once I reach FG I wait a couple of days to make sure and then bottle. But Saison yeasts are supposed to add character over time. Is this done in the fermenting stage or in the bottle?
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    The popular recipe I'm going by has you leave the Saison in primary for 4 weeks, at 2 different temps, then bottle.

    I'd say there would be very little point in leaving it in secondary to develop yeast character, as it would develop just as well in bottles.
     
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  3. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Just out of curiosity, if you don't normally, why did you do it this time?

    Saison yeast, in general don't floculate well, so the longer you leave it in secondary, the more floculation you will get...especially if you can cold crash it. IMO a month at lager temps bulk conditioning will go a long way to "smoothing" out the flavors, then bottle and carb. Or bottle, carb, then cold condition. The main diff I see is that you won't get the benefit of dropping out yeast and phenols before bottling, but a well fermented Saison tastes great after 2 weeks fermenting and 2 weeks bottle conditioned.
     
  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    What yeast strain, and what is the FG you are shooting for?
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Heat it up to 90 and forget about it for two weeks. That's what I did with my last saison. Still only hit 1.010 though.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This is not necessary (to finish fermentation) for either of the two main Saison strains. If someone prefers the ester/phenol/fusel profile 90F produces, that's one thing, but the yeast don't need it to finish.

    Edit: Just realized that the OP's beer is almost at final gravity. Which means the esters/phenols/fusels have pretty much already been pre-determined. At this point, raising the temp to 90F would probably accelerate attenuation of the last few gravity points, but personally I still wouldn't do it. 90F is not a good recipe for beer freshness.
     
  7. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    Sorry for the delay. Been on the road. I guess I don't understand saisons very well. I thought you need extended fermenting time to get the Saison "Character". Yes my FG should be about 1.1 or so. I did not use a traditional saison liquid yeast. I used safale T-58. I am probably bottling when I get back home this weekend. Need to research a bit more.
     
  8. mathieuc

    mathieuc Aspirant (291) Apr 14, 2009 Canada (QC)
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    Most esters and other aromatic compounds are made early on so extended aging is not really necessary I think. It is good practice in my eye to not rush things and let it clear/clean up naturally, though. A 2-3 week primary is a strict minimum to me on almost all beers.
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    How about just forgetting about it for another 2 weeks and then start in with gravity readings? For me, I do like warming my saisons during primary. I start at 70 and every day bump it up 3 degrees until I hit 80. I let it sit at 80 for a week and then let it sit at ambient temp, around 70, for another week. I am assuming he's stalled out a bit though. I mean 14 days and it isn't at fg yet? Even my brett beers go faster than that. Just trying to get some ideas out there to get him done I guess.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hard to say if it's stalled, with no indication that multiple readings were taken.

    OP: I'm sure you don't mean 1.1. 1.010 maybe? What was your recipe and what was your OG? And have you taken more than one reading that didn't move?
     
  11. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    Yes Vike. 1.010. Hard to type in my iPhone at a rest stop. Ha
    I am sure when I get back to town I will be fermented out the recipe is actually a NB Saison extract kit. Should have dropped the extra few bucks for the liquid said on yeast but did not.
    It was 14 days in primary when I got the 1.014 reading. Then moved to a secondary. When I get back will take another reading. It will be 20 days by the. Sitting around 70 or so.
     
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