Saison fermentation temp

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  1. MTbier

    MTbier Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2018 Washington

    Started fermenting a saison with no temp control in early Feb and it's hovering around 65 degrees. I don't have a temp control unit yet (my bad, now I know) , but will get one. Thoughts on the results without temp control? I know saisons should be fermented out at a higher temp., but open to opinions and previous experience. Thanks!
     
  2. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Just pitch the yeast on the high side of its temp range. It should hold at, or above that during peak fermentation.
     
  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Good beer has been made for a millennia without refrigeration. Or temperature control. Not even a thermometer. So lack of temperature control is no sin. It does allow for a lot more options however. What do you think we did in 1992 when there weren't any outboard thermostats?

    What is the recommended fermentation temp for your yeast ? 65 is cold for many ale yeasts but certainly within the realm of possibility. Too warm is the typical problem. Saison is a unique yeast with character and you will probably not get too much of that character at 65.

    65? Is that ambient? Temps in the liquid will be 3 to 5 warmer easily.
    Mostly dwrhahb. Beer will be fine.
    Cheers
     
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    What saison yeast was it? If it's belle saison or 3711 it will be fine and good.
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The WY3724 and WL565 strains (i.e., Dupont strains) have a reputation for sticking mid-fermentation. Proper yeast care, maybe some heat in the 70-80 range, and patience have been known to work. The French saison strains do not show this problem typically. Your beer has been sitting for about a month, so you should be checking the gravity -- how much has it attenuated so far?
     
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  6. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    What was OG? What has a recent gravity check read? How does it taste?
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    I thought it was the French Saison that went on strike at 1030. (Yes I am being serious, though it would also seem appropriate).
    Cheers.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As you have read in the responses in this thread we need more information here.

    Cheers!
     
  9. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Regardless of the FG, if you are bottle conditioning I would be nervous about the possibility of exploding bottles when summer arrives, unless they are refrigerated by then (obviously no safety concerns if you're kegging and keeping the keg cold).

    Fortunately this is cheap and easy to fix. Just wrap a heating pad from Walmart or the drug store (you probably already have one) around the carboy and plug it in on medium or high, depending on how cold your fermentation space is. Let it go for 5-7 days, then turn it off and return to room temp before bottling. This will remove safety concerns and give more of that saison flavor we love.
     
  10. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    French saison yeast goes on strike after it ferments the bucket and burns a hole through the concrete floor.
     
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  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I hate these threads, they seem to attract the most wives tales. I use DuPont, it never stalls on me. I even ferment it at room temps, 65ish. I usually hit fg around 7 days in. I let it clean up for a week and am in bottles at day 14. I get plenty of yeast character this way. I am not sure about all this hullabaloo.
     
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  12. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    If it wasn't a thing I'm not sure wyeast labs would mention it on their website. I'm personally happy that you have never experienced but it does exist. Not just an old wives tale.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

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  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    3711 is French, 3724 is Belgian, according to wyeast. @Prep8611 above shows what wyeast says about 3724. 3711 has a rep for voracious attenuation and the word on the street is it is a diastaticus variant
     
  15. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    @pweis909 yes I also mentioned (jokingly) that French saison yeast doesn't care about temps(true)and will ferment the bucket (possibly true). I've never had French saison yeast not finish below 1.010.
     
  16. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    3711 gives zero F’s

    It’s Diastaticus

    It does not like high temps

    Persoanlly I think it might be the worst tasting saison strain. Sure it’s easy to use cause it attenuates low and quick but the flavor profile is IMHO kind of meh and now with the knowledge that it could infect future batches rather easily, just one more reason not to use it.

    Read some interesting reports about 3724/565 and just not using an airlock, but merely some foil crimped over where an airlock would be. Simply it is less prone to stalling with no head pressure.

    Personally a big fan of 3726 and 3522.
     
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  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Why? If you reach a stable terminal gravity, regardless of the temperature of the solution, you are OK to package.
     
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  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I've never had an issue, either, but I haven't used it as a single strain for quite a while. Usually in a blend with other saison strains and/or brett.
     
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  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'm assuming but the OP seems like a newish brewer so my bet would be that he used a dry yeast. The most popular dry saison yeast is some version of French saison yeast (3711) so I'm assuming his beer is fermented and finished.
    I'm also assuming that the OP more than likely will not come back and participate in the thread.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you know for a fact that Danstar Belle Saison is the same strain as 3711?

    Cheers!
     
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