Saison with American hops?

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  1. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Anyone here ever done a Saison hopped with American citrusy hops? How did it turn out? I'm thinking of brewing one with cascade and citra hopped to about 35 IBU. Plan to use Wyeast 3724 or 3711 (I like and have used both previously).

    5 Gallon batch

    7.0 lb pilsner malt
    1.0 lb wheat
    1.0 lb Munich
    1.0 lb table sugar
    0.5 oz citra @ 60 min
    1.0 oz cascade @ 5 min
    0.5 oz citra @ 5 min
    1.0 oz cascade @ flameout
    1.0 oz citra @ flameout
     
  2. drewbeerme

    drewbeerme Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2007 Illinois

    It'll turn out nice. Consider a cleaner bittering hop and a small dry hop. Don't need the sugar.
     
  3. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    I have used cascade and tettnang in a very similar recipe, 3711.
    The saison had a nice citrus, and lemon pepper quality.

    All american hops will be a future project.

    Cheers
     
  4. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Agreed an the sugar
     
  5. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I agree it isn't necessary yet I've done several saisons with nearly an identical grain bill (sugar included). So I'm going to keep that. Thanks anyways....
     
  6. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    I used Amarillo and Galaxy(not American but falls into the citrus category) just under 35 ibu with 3711 and I thought it turned out really well.
     
  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    A lot of good points regarding sugar usage, bittering, and dry-hopping have been brought up. I would like to add that you may still be able to get some 3726, which I think goes well with fruity hops. Otherwise, go with 3711, it stays out of the way a bit more to let the hops shine.
     
  8. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I have enjoy 3711 with Chinook and American Hallertauer. Two month bottle conditioning, It's one of my favorite beer (8% ABV)
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My 2 cents are to skip sugar if using 3711 as it attenuated like crazy. But if you use the Belgian strain the increased attenuation that results from swapping grain for sugar may be beneficial .
     
  10. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I do a Tank 7 clone which is dry hopped with Amarillo. It comes out awesome! I would also suggest skipping the sugar when using 3711, she's a beast!
     
  11. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If I were going to dry hop a 3711 Saison (American or otherwise), I'd keep the fermentation within the recommended range of 65-77. Above that, and the esters are very strong for my tastes, and a strong yeast presence like that clashes with a strong hop aroma.
     
  12. Dirty25

    Dirty25 Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2012 Germany

    Prairie hop is citra and simco dry hoped what a great beer
     
  13. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Amarillo worked really well in my first saison, I'd expect any floral and or citrus hop to complement the style well, although I'd stick to the Belgian saison yeasts rather than the French ones.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I brewed a Hoppy Saison using Danstar Belle Saison Yeast and a total of 2 ounces of Amarillo for late hopping (flavor, end of boil & dry hopping). I used Warrior for bittering. I am happy with how this beer turned out but I was somewhat surprised that this beer required considerable bottle aging for the beer to really come together. My OG was 1.059 and FG was 1.001 (I used no sugar).

    The yeast provided nice phenol flavors (spicy flavors) and the Amarillo provided citrus flavors.

    To the OP, I would recommend 3711 over 3724 for your beer.

    Please report back on how it turned out.

    Cheers!
     
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