Saison yeast "blend" question

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I have two batches of identical worts fermenting (OG 1.060), one with 3726 Farmhouse, one with Danstsr Belle Saison (if you are not familiar, I have seen Belle compared closely to 3711).
    It's been 8 days since brew day and I just took the first gravity readings.
    Belle Saison was 1.004. 93% attn
    3726 was 1.012. 80% attn
    Both taste great, although I have learned that I can't truly judge my beer until its carbed...
    I wanted both to have that dry Saison quality, but obviously the 3726 isn't looking that way right now.

    I've read that some Saison yeasts can be beasts at attenuation (Belle Danstar) and others can be finicky, stall out, or just not great attenuators (possibly 3726). Now I know 80 attn is high and great, but my question is, Should I rack a small amount of the Belle beer into the 3726, and let it dry it out a little more, or just leave it be?

    Cheers!
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd just leave it be and enjoy it for what it is. Maybe ramp up the temp a few degrees and let it go another couple of weeks. 3726 is an awesome yeast, but it is not the attenuator that 3711, 3724, and 3725 are.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It has been a while since I have brewed with 3726 (2008) but I let that batch sit in the primary for 21 days; it started at 1.064 and finished at 1.007.

    I would encourage you to just let your batch of 3726 Saison 'go' for a couple more weeks.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I agree with Jack. 8 days simply isn't enough to go into panic mode, especially when you already have 80% app. attenuation.

    Even 3711 (which is known to be a beast of an attenuator) can take some time. I recently 3711 and had the following progress:

    Day 5: OG 1.056 only down to 1.031
    Day 12: OG down to 1.010
    Day 19: OG down to 1.009

    Might have dropped a bit more but I liked it where it was so I kegged and cold crashed it at 1.009
     
  5. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I use 3726 all the time (6 or 7 times in the last 3-4 months) - its is a good attenuator and is not finicky at all. Not the beast that is 3711 / Belle Saison (which I'm convinced are the same strain) but much nicer flavor profile. Give it another two weeks, and it will probably go down to around 1.006 - 1.007. Expect for the Belle Saison to drop another couple of points too over the next 2 weeks.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You're missing the part that says you've taken a second reading 3 days after the first and that it hasn't moved. Without that, what would make you think there's a problem?
     
  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    It's not that I think there's a problem, I was just considering adding a little Danstar Belle to ensure the 3726 dried out.
    But I've decided I'll just crank the heat to ~86 in a couple days.

    After the tastings, I'm upset that I have only 2.5 gal of the 3726 and 3.5 of Belle Saison. Wish it was the other way around.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Why not just wait? I mean, you could bump up the temperature, but it seems to me that's a solution looking for a problem.
     
  9. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I don't think you need to bump up the temp. Give 3726 a couple more weeks. You're 9 days in. Do you always expect all yeast strains to be done in that time frame?
     
  10. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Pretty much My beers are always down to FG by 9 days. But I realize Saison yeasts are different. I've seen people take the heat up to 90, so I figured a few more degrees higher wouldn't hurt...
     
  11. drewbeerme

    drewbeerme Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2007 Illinois

    What temp did you ferment at? I'd wait and take another reading at 14 days. I wouldn't add the Belle strain unless you really have to but you certainly aren't at that point yet.
     
  12. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Pitched at 70, rose naturally to 78 over 2 days, after 3 days there, I added a light to it which brought it to 81, where I've kept it
     
  13. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    3726 is not a finicky strain. You don't need to go higher than 81 F with it. You don't need to go anywhere near 81 F with it as a matter of fact... I use it all the time at 68 - 70 F ambient and it consistently takes my beers down to 1.005 - 1.007. Just give it time to do its thing.
     
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  14. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Wow. Ok thanks. Obviously I have never brewed a Saison before... Other than a 1 gallon batch I didn't pay much attention to... I'm going to remove one of my 2 lights, hope it drops just a few degrees. Thanks od_sf
     
  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My experience with bumping temps way up (over 80) has been terrible. I got banana bombs from wlp670 american farmhouse blend that way. I was pissed my saison tasted like hefe. Its been maturing for a year and still has 0 brett character also. I enjoy what brett brings to a saison and have become a brett brux trois fanboy recently. I pitched it with wlp saison 1 (dupont strain I believe) and it took 1.060 wort down to 1.003 while pitching some great flavors. If brett is something you like, I would toss some in that beer with the higher gravity...
     
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