Saison

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  1. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    I'm looking to brew a saison (extract) tomorrow possibly with some citra hops. I'm new to home brewing this will be our 2nd beer we have brewed. Any tips or suggestions? I'll be headed to LHBS tonight to get ingredients. Thanks!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Which yeast strain did you plan to use? Also, read "How to Brew" if you haven't. (Old version is free online. New version is in print.)
     
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  3. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    Okay thanks. I'll look into reading that tonight. I just decided on a saison so I haven't nailed down a specific yeast as of now.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My recommendation would be Wyeast 3724. It takes some patience (slow attenuation), but is well worth it. IMO the balance of fruity/spicy is spot on with 3724. A lot of people like 3711 too. With either strain, don't forget to oxygenate your wort well. I also recommend adding some yeast nurient. (I use Wyeast.)

    If you are brewing tomorrow, but haven't decided on yeast, you obviously won't be making a starter. Make sure to buy enough yeast. A single smackpack/vial isn't ideal, unless it's a really small saison and the yeast rolled out of the lab yesterday.
     
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  5. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    Okay and for the yeast nutrient I will just add that towards the end if the boil?
     
  6. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    If this is only your 2nd beer, I recommend the 3711. 3724 can be a little difficult to work with. If you use the 3711, try to keep the temp below 70 degrees F for the first few days and then let it ramp up. I also recommend using Amarillo along with the Citra. The two hops play well together and I like it better than 100% citra. Use table sugar for about 10% of the fermentables to help it dry out.
     
  7. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    Here's a vote for 3711, which plays nicely with Citra and can be fermented at room temp (low 70's). 3724 is definitely a more interesting yeast, but you can make a nice beer with 3711, 4/5 lbs of golden light DME, and a couple ounces of Citra late in the boil.
     
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  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I will second the 3724 with @VikeMan it can be a little finicky and needs time, but if you are patient enough to wait a couple more weeks for the beer you will be pleased with the results. Just keep it warm and let it go until the FG stabilizes in the single digits before you bottle.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yep.
     
  10. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    Thanks for the suggestion. This sounds good. Can you explain what you mean by 10% of the fermentables?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    He might mean the sugar is 10% of the weight of the entire 'grain plus sugar' weight. Or he might mean 10% of the original gravity coming from sugar. The latter way of expressing fermentables makes more sense, because differences in mash efficiency (from brewer to brewer) would make the first way not very specific. (i.e. the fermentables from grains are subject to differences in mash efficiency, but sugar is not)
     
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  12. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Given the short time frame you might want to consider a dry yeast, Fermentis T-58 or Lallemand Belle Saison, rather than buying 2-3 smack packs or vials. The final product is definitely not nearly as tasty as 3724/3711 results but you are almost assured a good fermentation at a much lower cost... and you can look forward to repeating the recipe with a proper starter of the good stuff later.
     
  13. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    The yeast I used for my first beer (IPA) was a dry yeast. I have yet to make a starter and go that route. I could make a starter this weekend and hold off brewing until next weekend.
     
  14. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I'd consider that; you'll almost certainly get tastier beer. Now you have to decide if you like the 3724 or 3711 flavor better...
     
  15. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    Correct. I recommend 10% of your OG be table sugar. I like to wait until the end of the boil to add it. Avoids off flavors and is easier than adding it to the fermenter halfway through fermentation.
     
  16. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    Sounds good. I'll probably do 3711 since it seems like it's easier to work with. The guys at my LHBS seem to have good advice. I'll get their opinions as well. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible with best result.
     
  17. NCbeer

    NCbeer Devotee (381) Sep 6, 2012 North Carolina

    I'll have to read more about this. I added sugar into the bottling bucket last time after 2 weeks of fermentation.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's different. The sugar you add to the bottling bucket is for carbonation. Any sugar you add before fermentation is part of the basic recipe. Replacing a portion of the malt with sugar results in a lighter, drier body. (You would still add sugar at bottling for carbonation.)
     
  19. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    You can always pitch a clean ale yeast with 3724 for attenuation (alla Lost Abbey).
     
  20. EOTLBrewer

    EOTLBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2011 Illinois

    I always pitch yeast into my saisons at 85F and let it rise on it's own. I've had great results doing this with both 3711 and 3724. From what I remember DuPont (3724) ferments their saison between 85F and 95F so it would make sense to follow the leader at least on that strain.
     
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