School me on Bourbon Barrel Aging

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hanzo, Jun 13, 2012.

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  1. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Last night I tried a local beer I've been looking to try for months. It was a Williamsburg Alewerks Bourbon Barrel Porter. To me, all I tasted was bourbon, it was so overpowering. Then I read on their site it is only aged for two months in the barrels, so it couldn't be time considering others are aged for much longer in the barrels but have a more muted flavor.

    Perhaps they left some bourbon in the barrel when they put the beer in, but after talking to stupac2 in another thread, the barrels have to be cleaned before they are used for aging, so what gives? I've had Parabola and KBS which both were great, but I got to wondering why such a huge difference in the bourbon flavors?

    Is the quality of the bourbon a factor? Is the wood the barrel is made of make a difference?

    (I started this thread as not to derail the one I was asking BBAing questions in)
     
  2. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I think it's as much a matter of the way the base beer blends with the bourbon flavors as anything else. Some beers just aren't meant for bourbon barrels.
     
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  3. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    Couldnt agree more. Certain beers really take on the bourbon flavors well, some are pure bourbon. BBA isn't perfect, it isnt a science. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

    Cheers!
     
  4. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    So what are the characteristics of a beer that takes on just the right amount of bourbon flavor? I'm told BCBS is heavy on the bourbon and I likely wouldn't like it.
     
  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Here's a nice description of the procedure.

    http://www.wikihow.com/Oak-Beer-in-a-Used-Bourbon-Barrel

    Note that the barrel is used wet and so the strength of the bourbon flavor left by the barrel will in part be related to how wet with bourbon the inside of the barrel is and how thoroughly it is drained before the beer is poured in. Close to a gallon of bourbon can remain behind in the wood when the whisky removed at the distillery.

    As for the wood, all bourbon barrels are made with oak.
     
  6. pschul4

    pschul4 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois

    Only way to find out is to take the base beer for BCBS and age it in Black Velvet barrels made from particle board
     
  7. mtlasley

    mtlasley Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2012 Illinois

    I too would love to hear an in depth style guide for all barrel aging (including wine, tequila and others).
     
  8. ncaudle

    ncaudle Initiate (0) May 28, 2010 Virginia

    Hanzo, was the BB Porter a freshly released batch or previous?

    if a fresh batch then it's from a 1st use barrel. the older batches are from 2nd/3rd use barrels.
    that will make a significant difference in bourbon in-your-faceness.
    there could also be barrel/bottle variance...
     
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  9. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Ok, so in that case the barrel isn't rinsed or cleaned since the bourbon keeps the inside sterile for the most part. So I'd imagine the draining of the bourbon that is left is up to the brewer, so I suppose it would be possible they'd just not drain it at all? But then what of the charcoal they speak of?

    You think it is possible they drain the barrel, filter the bourbon to get rid of the debris and then add it back to the barrel before the beer?
     
  10. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    Doesn't start out on a strong foot, considering it gets the definition of bourbon incorrect. Bourbon can be made anywhere, not just Bourbon County, Kentucky.
     
  11. El_Zilcho

    El_Zilcho Initiate (0) May 3, 2012 Virginia

    Was this a recent batch? Ive been keeping an eye out but havent seen anything. Anyway, thats odd that you said it had too much of a bourbon flavor. Ive had this a couple times in the past and each time it had just the right amount of bourbon, far from too much, it balanced nicely with the beer. On the other hand KBS and Parabola have a much stronger bourbon barrel flavor to me. Maybe it is a different batch or something. I know Alewerks has been changing some things around the last few years, new brewer, kind of a new name, and it seems like they have been tweaking their recipes, so who knows. Im looking forward to getting more of this, it would be a shame if it all tastes the way you described. This has always been one of my favorite barrel aged beers specifically because it just has a light barrel flavor compared to other ones.
     
  12. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

  13. mtlasley

    mtlasley Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2012 Illinois



    Awesome Lost Abbey Vid on Barrel Aging. Not super specific but in the same vein.
     
  14. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    ISO: BCBBVPBS

    Also, the number of times a barrel has been used to age a beer will impact how predominant or muted of a bourbon character the beer will take on. So yes, quality of the base beer, quality of the wood, quality of the bourbon, and age/use of the barrel, and length of time of beer in the barrel all factor in. Each barrel will yield different results, too, so brewers often blend to taste from different barrels (Steven at Olde Hickory does this, for example).

    I'm with you, I like my BBA- characteristics to be more mellow and well-blended with the base beer.
     
  15. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
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    The two most bourbon-y (?) beers I've ever had:

    1. Just had the Bruery's Fruet - I like bourbon (scotch even moreso), so I loved this beer - but it smells, feels, and tastes of bourbon to the extreme (note that this was apparently 100% aged in bourbon barrels - something of a rarity) - it was drenched in bourbon, and being an old ale (which is like a scotch ale in some ways), it really melted into an awesome drink (for me).

    2. Every year I buy the Bourbon County Stout - while the Fruet was an old ale, the BCBS is the stout version of the bourbon-beer - when you pop one of these open, the bourbon smell will permeate the room - but the stout has such deep flavors of anise, espresso, and chocolate malt that the bourbon was not as intense as in the Fruet. Don't know how they impart the bourbon flavors with the BCBS, but if bourbon turns you off, save your money on these two beers.

    I'd say that both styles (old/scotch ales and stouts) lend themselves to bourbon barrel-aging. I can't think of other bourbon barrel-aged beers I've had, but I'd think IPAs, DIPAs, BSDAs and BSPAs probably wouldn't take to the bourbon as well. A rye whiskey maybe, or a chardonnay for sure, but the bourbon has such a distinct strong sweetness that it won't suit all styles that well.
     
  16. ncaudle

    ncaudle Initiate (0) May 28, 2010 Virginia

  17. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    I believe that brewers cannot legally use any liquid spirits in the production of beer, so they have to rely on the bourbon that is soaked into the barrel.
     
  18. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Pooh-Bah (1,972) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    To reiterate what some others have said. If you use fresh barrels, meaning only drained of bourbon/whiskey/etc, the left over liquor in the wood will be sucked out when you add the beer to the barrel. This gives it stronger bourbon flavors and doesn't need to be aged as long. Or something like that.
     
  19. GregoryVII

    GregoryVII Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2006 Michigan

    If you ask someone from Kentucky, they might tell you different. There isn't a legal definition as there is with Scotch, but most trade agreements at the least require it was made in the United States to call it bourbon.
     
  20. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    I recently had a quad from a Virginia brewery that was bba. It. Was. Fantastic. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26753/80927
     
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