Screwed up hops timing

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  1. KirstinStone

    KirstinStone Aspirant (201) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Had a 60 min boil bittering hops, couple 15 min bittering/flavor hops, couple 5 minute flavor hops, and a couple 1 min aroma hops in an IPA recipe. Mistakenly added them all at 1 hr. Had 2 of the aroma hops on hand, so I added them at the last minute anyway. First brew ever, and probably destroyed. Anybody have an idea what the right answer actually would've been in this situation??
     
  2. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I don't think you destroyed your beer. I'd finish the batch and see how it turns out. It'll likely be much more bitter than the recipe intended, but probably not a loss.
     
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  3. suavo

    suavo Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2014

    Cool screw up...You'll never do that again...unless the beer turns out great...
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That's really just a minor blip in your brew session, and it's likely that you provided a good fix. It's good that you had more hops on hand. If your recipe was to clone a specific beer you may be a bit off from the expected hop flavor, but you're going to have a beer from this.
     
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  5. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Pretty sure this is how dogfish head came up with the idea for Hoo-Lawd.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Your beer will be more bitter than intended and will have less hop flavor and aroma than intended (if your 2 oz impromptu aroma addition was less than what should have been added late). Did you taste the wort before it went into the fermenter? If it didn't shrivel your tongue, there is hope.
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I would not give up on this. It's possible that your beer will be more bitter than you like, but if you sanitized well on the cold side, including packaging, I think it has a chance. Your beer may not be to your liking three weeks after packaging, but hop bitterness mellows over time. You may not get the beer you thought you were making, and it may not be ready to drink for the big party you had planned, but it could eventually win your heart.
     
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  8. Beejay

    Beejay Pooh-Bah (2,559) Dec 29, 2008 Virginia
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    Time travel is the only right solution.

    As others have said, your beer will be more bitter this way, but it will still be beer. Use this first batch as an educational experience. Perhaps brew it again and compare tasting notes in reference to differences in hop schedule.
     
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  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It sounds like you used 6-7oz of hops and boiled them for 60 minutes, then added a couple ounces at flame out. Is that right? If so, this will be the most bitter beer of all time. 6 months from now, it will be the second most bitter beer of all time.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm not going to be Pollyanna and sugar coat it.
     
  10. KirstinStone

    KirstinStone Aspirant (201) Dec 3, 2014 California

    So I did make notes on exactly how I screwed up, and where in the process. On the off chance that it's great, I can replicate. Not sure how bitterness multiplies during the boil, but this particular recipe (not a clone), only has estimated IBU around 70. Not tongue shriveling, so we shall see!
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    There's no reason to be unsure. See the utilization curve (etc.) at this link...
    http://realbeer.com/hops/research.html

    There are many standalone IBU calculators and general brewing software packages to do the calculations that are described at the link above.
     
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  13. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I would run what actually happened through a calculator like Vikeman suggests, and see how different the expected final result will be. There's nothing else to do while you are waiting for the beer to finish, anyway. If your flavor and aroma hops weren't very strong, the difference may not be exceptionally profound. For example, I have some Saaz hops in the freezer right now that are labeled as only 2.7% AA. If your initial target IBU was 70, a mistake with lower AA aroma hops won't throw that number off too much to call it fatal.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    One option that you could pursue if you have another fermenter is to brew a similar batch with no bitter but double the late hops and blend the two batches in the bottling bucket.
     
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  15. KirstinStone

    KirstinStone Aspirant (201) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Thank you for that - I had no idea!

    Well, technically I'm supposed to (per the recipe). I guess I will make that final call after I check out the projected IBU calculations?
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    IMO that is a 'good thing' here. Dry hopping will provide aroma and much of what we refer to as "flavor" comes from aroma. I would strongly recommend that you proceed with dry hopping. Hop aroma/flavor will provide some 'balance' to hop bitterness.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What were the actual hops and how many ounces of each that you used? That will give a much better idea of how much more bitter this beer will be.
     
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  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Now Betty, could it be that yer being a bit harsh? Some other brewers have given some fine ideas like pweiss.
    Might be that this brew could be salvaged.
     
  19. KirstinStone

    KirstinStone Aspirant (201) Dec 3, 2014 California

    1 oz Cluster - Bittering hops boiled for 60 minutes
    1 oz Centennial - Bittering/Flavor hops boiled for 15 minutes
    1 oz Columbus - Bittering/Flavor hops boiled for 15 minutes
    1 oz Cascade - Aroma Hops added for last 5 minutes of boil
    1 oz Chinook - Aroma Hops added for last 5 minutes of boil
    1 oz Citra - Aroma Hops added for last 1 minutes of boil
    1 oz Crystal - Aroma Hops added for last 1 minutes of boil

    1 oz Centennial, Chinook, & Citra - 3 oz Dry Hops added to secondary for 3-5 days

    I added the first 7 for basically an hour (there was a 5 minute panic break while I tried to brainstorm mid boil). Then I added the Chinook and Citra (again) for the last 5/1 minute (as I had them on hand for the dry hop). I have the Centennial still on hand for dry hopping, and will be replacing the Chinook and Citra for dry hopping.

    ETA: I ran all the info through a calculator, and got an IBU of about 130.
     
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  20. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Yeah, Centennial, Columbus and Chinook are usually relatively high AA hops, this is definitely going to be bitter. I would not dump it, if nothing else, the hops will fade over time.

    What was your grain bill? If this is APA territory, you might want to think about brewing a similar beer with many fewer hops and then blending at bottling time. I would taste a sample before I bothered to dryhop.
     
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