Second batch issues

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  1. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Sorry if this is another "just be patient" thread, but I think it's more than that. I have a couple issues with a batch I brewed on Saturday, and was hoping for some advice. I brewed Northern Brewer's Dead Ringer kit, which is supposed to be a Two Hearted clone. It was extract with a specialty grain steep.

    The first issue was that my OG somehow came out at about 1.090, which I have no idea how that's possible. The target was 1.064. The recipe included 9.15 lbs of their Gold LME and 1lb of Briess caramel 40. I did a pretty good job keeping the steeping temperature around 160 for 20 minutes. Then I brought it to a boil, added the LME, followed the hop schedule, etc. This was a partial boil, started with 2.5 gal. Topped off to 5 gallons afterward, as directed. I took a sample, I think after I had aerated the wort. the hydrometer said 1.090. I took another one, thinking that I had somehow grabbed a lot of the heavy stuff from the bottom (I don't know if that's possible since I had just shaken it up), and it was the same. So how did this possibly happen? Everything I've read says that steeping grains can only add a few points of gravity.

    The second problem is that it's been 3.5+ days with no activity in the airlock. I used US-05 dry yeast that I've kept in the fridge. I took it out of the fridge 6 or so hours before to let it warm up. The best by date is in 2015. After reading here and elsewhere, on whether I should rehydrate it or just sprinkle it, I decided to rehydrate it, and did so in a couple ounces of room temp tap water in a sanitized jar for 20-30 min. I pitched it (I think the wort temp was 62-63), shook the bucket some more, and put it away in a big bucket (party bucket, think some of you call it a swamp cooler) that I put some ice water in, maybe 8-10 inches deep. Definitely not the whole height of my fermenter. So I'm sure the wort was on the cold side of the range for the first 24 hrs, probably too cold at first. But for the last 60+ hours, the water in that bucket has come up to room temp of about 68 degrees.

    When I push down on the lid, it has burped a bubble, so I think there is a tiny bit of activity going on it.

    So for my laundry list of questions:
    1. How did the gravity get so high? It's probably something dumb I did measuring it, but I cant't figure it out.
    2. If it is, in fact, that high, I'm sure that has something to do with my fermenting problems. That and the cold wort for the first 24 hrs. I have another packet of yeast arriving today. Should I add it? Should I make a starter? The manufacture's website said nothing about doing that, only sprinkling and rehydrating. Also, is it possible that the star-san had an adverse effect while rehydrating? I dumped it out of the jar before adding new water, but I'm sure there was some residual in there.

    I'm obviously a newb, but I've done a decent amount of reading for the past few months on here, other sites, and How to Brew, and I'm stumped. Any insight and wisdom you guys can provide is greatly appreciated.
     
  2. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Does your hydrometer correctly read 1.000 in water?

    What was the wort's temperature when you took the 1.090 reading?
     
  3. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I did forget to mention that I did get that sample to 60 degrees. Well not at first, but then I remembered to. And the correction for temperature on the include directions only moves it a point or two.

    I don't know that it's calibrated correctly, I will check when I get home. Good question.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “How did the gravity get so high?” Given 9.15 lbs. of LME and 1 lb. of crystal malt your OG is not 1.090. You have a reading/measurement problem. The only guess I have is that you took a sample of poorly mixed wort (the concentrated wort did not mix well with the top off water).

    As regards the apparent lack of activity, my guess is that the lid of the bucket has a leak. I would suggest that you quickly remove the lid to see if you have signs of fermentation activity (foam/krausen on top). I do not think you need to add a second packet of yeast.

    As a FYI, the optimum water temperature to rehydrate US-05 is 80 ± 6 degrees F vs. room temperature. I do not think much ‘damage’ was done by rehydrating with room temperature water but in the future you should rehydrate warmer.

    Cheers!
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    ^^^^ +1, assuming OP knows how to read a hydrometer. And it's very hard to imagine any hydrometer being that far out of calibration.
     
  6. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I agree that it was probably a sample problem, but I took two and they came out the same. I'll move past worrying about that. So this has become a "be patient" thread, as I feared it would.

    As far as a leak, I've checked by pushing down on the lid, and the fluid level in the airlock held. Aside from the burbs I mentioned if it had been hours between the last time I "burped" it. I will open and check for a krausen before deciding to add more yeast or not.

    Thanks for the feedback.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You are welcome and good luck!

    Please report back.

    Cheers!
     
  8. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    9.15 lbs of DME? I don't know if it's even possible to make a 5 gallon 1.065 beer with that much DME, and I'm too lazy to go to my other computer (where I have beersmtih) but you should check on that yourself. how did you get that much DME to dissolve and boil in a mere 2.5g of water? It must have been awfully thick!

    In the future, do your recipes on brewing software before you brew. Beersmith isn't absolutely perfect, but for many of us (including me), it was worth the $27. Or use free software online such as brewtoad. You would have probably avoided the high OG issue.

    also, full boils are better. even if you have to split the boil between multiple pots, you should aspire to this goal soon. you must split the hops proportionately between the pots too.

    and get a wort chiller if you don't already have one.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    LME.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For some reason this reminds me of a SNL skit of Roseanne Roseannadanna.:wink:

    Cheers!
     
  11. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    It was LME. I've checked some software in the past couple days which told me what I knew and what you guys have confirmed: You can't get 1.090 with that amount of extract. But the hydrometer said it, and I'd like to think that I'm not dumb enough to read it wrong twice. It was most likely a bad sample.

    I know that full boils are better, but I only have one pot today and am content (for now) with that. As I said, I'm just getting started and I have done a lot more reading than actual brewing.
     
  12. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    Reading thru your procedure, you mentioned you did the hydrometer reading after aerating. Did you by chance take the gravity reading before adding in the top-off water? That would explain a higher gravity reading.
     
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    my bad, LME could conceivably hit that gravity. Now I must punish myself for my wrong-ness by popping open a beer. After all, it's 5pm in London. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “…by popping open a beer. After all, it's 5pm in London.”

    Popping open a beer!?!:grimacing:

    Get yourself to your local pub and drink a cask ale!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!

    P.S. My favorite pub when I traveled to London was the Crown & Sceptre.
     
  15. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I almost did, but realized as I was sticking the thief in that, "hey I need some water in here". So that's not it.

    No problem, have another for my wrong-ness in this whole debacle that will probably just be another case of over-worrisome new brewer.
     
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  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I'm not in London Hoss, sorry for the confusion. If I was in London, I would have already been drinking cask ales since 11am (which was my time when I posted). :grinning:

    I may actually get to drink a cask beer today tho, if I get over towards Freetail (and if I don't get there today, I will get there tomorrow or friday). :sunglasses:
     
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  17. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    There are signs of fermentation, whew.


    [​IMG]

    No need for a blowoff though, there is plenty of head space in my 6.5 gallon bucket. No signs that it had risen and fallen back down either. Does this give anybody pause that my yeast may not have been as healthy to start as it should of been? How can I remedy that for this batch? Longer in the bucket?

    Thanks all
     
  18. redmaw

    redmaw Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    How confident are you that you topped off to 5 gallons (not that you topped off, but that the 5 gallons is accurate)? Obviously depth perception in a picture isn't good, but the level there seems low to me for 5 gallons in a 6.5 gallon bucket.
     
  19. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Yea, not the best picture, but very (because I just double checked).
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Does this give anybody pause that my yeast may not have been as healthy to start as it should of been?” I see krausen so that indicates to me that fermentation is taking place.

    “How can I remedy that for this batch?” There is nothing to remedy that I can see.

    “Longer in the bucket?” You need to keep the beer in the bucket until primary fermentation is complete. You can keep the beer in the bucket for a period of time thereafter if you feel that there is a need.

    Cheers!
     
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