Secondary fermenter for a one gallon batch?

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  1. Coolinbear

    Coolinbear Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2018 Vermont

    Still not entirely sure of the pros and cons of the secondary fermenter. Starting to see a lot of recipes calling for it but not really for a one gallon batch (what I’ve only done). Just curious if I should even bother with my single hop IPA, which will also be getting dry hopped soon! Or just let it be until bottling day.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    One gallon batches result in so little finished output. An extra transfer would reduce that even more. I would recommend no secondary for this beer, especially since it's a one gallon batch.
     
  3. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    A single gallon should have so little trub in it, that it should not need a secondary. Just add the dry hops right to the primary.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The amount of trub in a one gallon batch ought to be proportional to the amount of trub in any size batch. But I agree about not needing a secondary, on general principle.
     
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  5. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I'll second VikeMan, as both a home brewer and a professional I've let plenty of beers sit on the yeast for way longer than you're supposedly supposed to and it's always been fine. The purpose of the secondary is to rack-off of all of that initial yeast so that you can get a clearer beer in the end - it's not really to avoid autolysis (which I've never experienced even with very old yeast). You probably won't need that, you should be fine.
     
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  6. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I mainly do one gallon batches. I always rack to a secondary. Haters gonna hate. I’m just gonna shake it off (shake it off).
     
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I used to have that same attitude towards secondary. Then I made better beer.
     
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  8. Coolinbear

    Coolinbear Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2018 Vermont

    So you agree a secondary would make a better beer??
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jim, in commercial brewing there can be a concern of yeast autolysis in large Cylindroconical fermenters since the large amount of hydrostatic pressure can be an issue. My understanding is that in a commercial brewery this can be managed by simply opening a valve in the bottom of the tanks to expel the yeast (that has settled to the bottom).

    In the case of homebrewing where the typical volume is 5 gallons and the typical primary fermentor is flat bottomed (e.g., buckets, carboy) there is little in the way of hydrostatic pressure so yeast autolysis is not of such a concern to we homebrewers.

    In your commercial brewing did you work with large (e.g., > 60 barrels) Cylindroconical fermenters? Did the breweries where you work(ed) manage the situation by dumping the yeast which has settled to the bottom of the tanks?

    Cheers!
     
  10. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Interestingly, uni-tanks weren't invented until the 1960's.

    The angle, and thus the shape of the cone could vary, but I think they're pretty much the same, and unless you filled your entire cone with yeast you wouldn't have a situation similar to that of a flat bottomed tank. What that means in answer to your question, I'm not sure, but British brewers used to let their beers sit on some very wide yeast cakes because they could not remove the yeast until the beer was moved. Keep in mind, we're not talking about massive tanks that are two to three stories tall.

    With that said, I have worked with 60 bbl fermenters, and 60 bbl bright tanks that have held unfiltered beer as well. I don't think hydrostatic pressure is an issue at that volume. In fact, I'm not sure of how much hydrostatic pressure is a problem at even higher volumes unless you get into those really big tanks.

    And of course the answer, and the purpose of the unitank with the cone at the bottom, is to collect the flocculated yeast so that you can remove it. However, as I've noted, there have been times when I haven't touched the yeast at all, I just let it sit. - Keep in mind we have dropped the temperature of the tank at this point and cold drops to the bottom where the yeast is. - There can be some dead yeast at the very bottom, usually in the racking arm, but the beer is only in contact with the live yeast above that.

    I think it's extended amounts of time at higher temperatures where problems occur, with higher temperatures being more of an issue than time, or the amount of yeast that's in play. As a homebrewer I've also let beer sit for months at cellar temperature and had no issues, so I believe that temperature is a bigger concern.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And I think this is a critical point.

    Beer at cold temperatures will 'resist' yeast autolysis both for a commercial brewery or a homebrewery.

    Cheers!
     
  12. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Sorry brah, I don’t feed trolls :slight_smile:
     
  13. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I see what you did there :wink:
     
  14. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I would bet if you were to transfer the sheer ratio of oxygen exposure to amount of beer could really do more damage to the beer than maybe leaving it on a small amount of trub/yeast for what? 5 days? A week? O2 could potentially do way more damage I would think.
     
  15. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Secondary is largely nonexistent in pro breweries and is largely unnecessary in home breweries. But its a hobby. You do you. :slight_smile:
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I stopped using a secondary and my beer quality has improved after making the change. It's not trolling, it's actually caused by disassociting myself with an antiquated practice that brought unnecessary oxygen into contact with my beers.
     
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  17. Coolinbear

    Coolinbear Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2018 Vermont

    Thank You for the input! I think I’ll leave my beer right where it is and not worry about a secondary fermenter! It seems like it’ll more of a hassle than beneficial! Cheers
     
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  18. StevoBSnob

    StevoBSnob Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2018 New Jersey

    I'm kinda leaning away from secondary fermenting too ... I've got 2 fastfermenting 3 gallon conical fermenters due here tomorrow which I'll use for small 1 gal batches and I may even use both of them to split a 5 or 6 gallon batch. Supposed to be easy to dump the trubb and bottle from. I'll let you know!
     
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