Secret Hopper: Drinking Undercover

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Yes but that preferable to the total opposite. If the beers good enough ....
     
  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Nope, ain't no beer so great I gotta go into a shithole to get it.
     
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  3. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I drink from the can I'm good unless there's blood on the floor.
     
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  4. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I can think of one particular nameless place that makes damned good beer somehow. It always looks like a Grateful Dead show had just happened. Dark, stuff swept into the corners, somehow oddly staffed. But I've only been during the day.
     
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  5. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I agree I just feel the beer should be part of the entire review.
     
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Right, and why would a brewery want to pay for a hopper review of the beers they serve in their own taproom. They have plenty of other ways of monitoring their own beer quality and of collecting review information for free from other sources.
     
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  7. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    My guess is that they have other ways of monitoring opinions on the beer (websites like this one, competitions, etc.) but the way the taproom is run is not always the same if/when the owner is present.
     
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  8. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    "....you are almost definitely going to be losing money...."
    Again: boo hoo.
    You were subsidized to drink beer.
    Not good enough? Then don't.
     
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  9. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    What do you do if you don't like flights?
     
  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I'm not crying about losing money nor am I a Secret Hopper (nor am I interested in becoming one at this point in my life)... I was merely commenting on the business model and how it compares to comparable business models in other similar industries.

    I thought this was a place where we could have discourse on these kind of topics and I don't feel like insinuating that I'm some kind of big whiner/crybaby is really called for... Do you have some kind of vested interest in this business because it certainly seems like you do?

    *EDIT* I'm just a supporter of paying people fairly - I was opposed to the way Uber treated their drivers and I'm not a fan of Wal-Mart looking at the government to subsidize their employees either.
     
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  11. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    Again...if you don't think it's fair pay, don't play. If you think you should make a profit for drinking beer, you're simply other-worldly delusional. But that's just my several decades worth of Earth-bound life experience. Prove me stupidly naive by securing the "beer consuming pay raise" you feel is so blatantly deserved .... that's sarcasm, BTW.
     
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  12. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    This guy is spamming this service all over the Internet.
     
  13. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I never said that I felt that I deserve any "beer consuming pay raise" but if I am given a work assignment (that is what being a Secret Hopper is - drive to the establishment, order the required items, and produce a report about the visit) I expect to be fairly compensated for the work. You are missing the point, it is not the consuming of the beer that is the work but if the requirement is to buy a certain amount of items from the place being reviewed that should be part of compensation (cover the costs of the required purchases) - I think the $20 to produce the report on the visit is fair and as long as the travel is local ~25 miles of less, I'm not suggesting they need to pay mileage but paying the person as an independent contractor puts all of the employer/employee taxes on that person (state, local, federal, social security, and medicare).

    To compare this to another industry/similar circumstance, do you think that the restaurant critic for a local newspaper pays for the food and writes the article on their own time or that it is a part of their work compensation??? Or do you think the film reviewer has to buy their own theater tickets?

    *EDIT* I guess we just differ on our opinions on this... Maybe you would like me to let your employer know they don't have to reimburse you for any items you have to purchase in the course of your job or for travel costs, etc.
     
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  14. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    Perhaps you should explain to readers here what they should be paying you for your opinions...which, oddly enough, you are giving away for free.
    Hunh.

    FYI...I'm paying you exactly what they're worth to me. So we're good.
     
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