Seeking Strategy for Separating Wort from Hop Trub

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I got one of these hop spiders a few months ago and have had a chance to try it a few times. I got mine from Adventures in Homebrewing, but I'm pretty sure the company in the link manufactured it. Looks exactly the same. It seems fine for beers with 1-2 ounces of hops, but if you are making a hoppy beer, the hops just don't interact with the wort sufficiently, and you end up underutilizing the hops.

    Today, I thought I would try a different approach while making an IPA, which only had 4 oz of hops in the kettle. I put the hop spider in the kettle, but put all the hops outside of the hop spider, so they would interact with more wort. After cooling, I stuck my racking cane in the spider, hoping the spider would strain the hops effectively. This worked for 1 gallon. The mesh on the spider clogged, so siphoning of the wort from the spider was greater than the rate at which wort could enter the spider. To recover the remainder of my hoppy wort, I poured it through a sieve over my bucket fermenter, stopping about every gallon to clean the sieve. This approach led to good wort recovery, but I hated the way I had to keep the fermenter exposed to the air for the 15 minutes or so it took to do this.

    What should I try the next time?

    PS: I use pellets. Any estimates for how much liquid gets absorbed per ounce of pellet hops?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I went through all this for months. Spiders, bags, everything. This works perfect!!!!

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    That's all pellets and trub from 11 gallons of IPA, 3/4# hops. No issue at all separating at all. That is 1 1/4" SS hose braid, just over half of the perimeter of the kettle. Runs on a pump with W/P. I went to the local coupling and hose shop and had them cut the SS braid for me. Put a SS plug in the far end. The pick-up side has a SS reducer from 3/4" to 1/2" which screws right onto my 1/2" SS elbow. Could also just SS hose clamp the braid onto whatever you have for a pickup tube.
     
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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I use 0.025 gallons per ounce in my calcs.
     
  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I use this as well, but increase the wort left in the kettle a little too. Hit my numbers every time on Vike's BrewCipher.
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I had (have) the same hop spider you linked to. My experience is exactly like you stated; fairly serious under-utilization of the hops as you approach the 2 ounce level. It now gathers dust on my shelf of "good ideas that didn't work".

    Now I rely on a bazooka filter, similar to @jbakajust1. When I bought my "dust collector", I asked the same company if they would modify their "12 inch kettle screen" filter (that's what they call it) to have both ends "crimped" (no opening). I fabricated an opening in the middle (wire cutters and lots of cursing) to fit under my elbow pick-up (my elbow was un-threaded). It works like in the pic above but is centered on the pick-up (elbow). It is a grade B PITA to clean but does a respectable job of filtering hops debris. Oh yeah, I toss my pellet hops into nylon paint bags (fairly large) suspended over the kettle. Never use more than 2 ounces per bag and regularly stir during the boil. Just like @jbakajust1 (my hero) I whirlpool my late additions through all of this (20-30 minutes), so it sees the hop debris many times. At the end of the brew-day it looks like a green turd . . . albeit a very symmetrical g-t. I really feel bad that I have no photos . . .

    For early bittering addition I've gone to hop extract . . . the way gentlemen bitter their beer.

    My estimate for wort-hop-absorption is 0.02343 gallons (3 ounces) per ounce of hops (take that, Brewcipher!).
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Heh. BrewCipher can take that. Or any other value someone wants to enter.
     
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  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I use the same steel mesh filter baskets. I don't experience poor hop utilization compared to using hop bags. For example, I often use 5-6oz of hops in the kettle with two filters. Not a huge amount of hops compared to what some brewers use. The amount of hop flavor typically exceeds most professional IPAs in the $12 per sixer range.

    If you brew with more than 3oz of hops and want to use steel mesh filter baskets, you will need more than one filter. The 4x10 is good for 3oz. The 6x11 is good for 6oz. Both of them can hold more, but they get too crowded. I use one to three filters depending on the quantity of hops.

    Stirring inside the filters and stirring the wort every 2-3 minutes during the last 20 minutes of the boil is sufficient to circulate the flavor hops. Steeped hops get stirred twice during a 30 minute steep.
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm not a big fan of bags for the same reason. Poor utilization. I guess you can squeeze them periodically? Does anyone do that, and does it help? My ideal approach would be hops free floating in the kettle and filtered out at the end, with minimal effort or equipment -- not asking for much, am I?

    I'm curious, if you are using multiple mesh spider basket thingies (let's call them by their proper name), how are you cooling your wort? I use an immersion coil chiller, put it in near the end of the boil to sanitize, but if I do whirlpool hops, the single small basket and the chiller make things pretty crowded. If I used multiple baskets, I would need a new approach to chilling.
     
  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I use a plate chiller without a pump which is another reason why I use hop filter baskets.
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sure. Keep that trub out of the plate chiller.
     
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