Should I be worried?

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  1. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I brewed a golden stron 6 weeks ago. It was 80% pilsner malt, 20% sugar and fermented on a 3711 yeast cake. I used spalt and saaz hops if I remember right. It started at 1.090 and finished at 1.007.

    The beer spent 3 weeks in primary and one week in secondary (I only secondaried because i needed the space and didnt have bottles)

    It's been in bottles for 2 weeks now. I chilled a bottled today and cracked it open and there was barely any sound of carbonation escaping. The beer also tastes almost completely flat. I had put enough priming sugar to carb it to 3 vols.

    Should I be worried or will this take a super long time?
     
  2. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    This beer reminds me of a muscadine right now. Would almost pass as a wine.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think higher ABV beers seem to take longer, but I'll also ask whether you think your priming sugar was well mixed into your beer?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say you made a saison. A big one.

    This is a big beer. It will probably take a while to carbonate. Assuming the yeast was healthy, I don't think you would have reached its ABV limit yet.
     
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  5. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    That's a big freakin beer. It'll take some time to carb
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If it's that sweet then things are going slow. But if you got a little bit of a hiss when you opened your bottle, something is happening, and I think this one is just going to take a while to carbonate. Have the bottles somewhere where the temp is around 72 degrees?
     
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  7. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I make sure to stir occasionally while bottling
     
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  8. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    Higher abv longer the carb. My RIS took 3 months
     
  9. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    The yeast cake I racked it on to was from a 1.056 saison and the cake was 12 days old. The saison turned out quite amazing.
     
  10. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    damnit by the time this beer carbs i will have drank most of it testing it. I am super impatient
     
  11. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Don't make big beers
     
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  12. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I'm having the same problem with a stella clone 91%Pilsner/ 9% maize. After 4 weeks and 5oz of corn sugar it's still slightly flat. Even though stella is smooth i'm hoping for more carbo and will just add drops if needed. The ABV was 6.69 so i'm guessing 6-1/2 weeks before it's complete. lol
     
  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You said you chilled a bottle, implying that you are storing your bottles warm. How warm? Maybe bump up the temp another 5 degrees and see if that helps. This is not your first rodeo, so you probably used the right amount of priming sugar, right? Mostly, I think it is the alcohol slowing things down.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you used an appropriate amount of sugar for the carbonation level you wanted and the volume of beer, and you mixed it thoroughly, you should not add drops, because that would eventually cause over-carbonation, gushers, or worse.

    Assuming a 5 gallon batch, 5 ounces of corn sugar should get you to about 2.7 volumes of CO2. That's going to be fairly lively. So the question is, why is the beer still "slightly flat?" What temperature are the bottles at? Are you sure you mixed thoroughly? Are bottles from both ends of the bottling run slightly flat? What was the exact volume of beer?
     
  15. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    3711? Trust me, it will carb!
     
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  16. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Anything I brew over 9% usually takes at least 1 month at 55-60 degrees to bottle carb. Since your impatient I'd suggest go on a brewing rampage making both strong and standard abv brews. I do this in the winter since farm work in the spring takes presidence over all. With a cellar full of many beer styles one can vary the type of beer consumed on a daily basis and everything ages nicely. Of course you need the bottles fermenters and or kegs. Waiting on big beers yields great results! Good luck.
     
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  17. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Impatience is what kills good beer and makes it do funny things you don't want it to.
     
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Based on the information in this thread, I've calculated a 53.7% likelihood for flat beer. The first indicator was 3711 stopped at 1.007. The second was you racked on a cake. The third is you are likely to drink the entire batch before it carbs which it probably won't anyway. --- Negative_Nancy
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Should I be worried?”

    The part that I find to be a bit worrisome is: “…finished at 1.007”

    I have used 3711 multiple times to brew Saisons (OG of 1.06x) and for every batch the FG was around 1.000 (or lower). I suppose for a 1.090 OG the result may not be 1.000 but it seems to me that 3711 consumes every sugar there is in wort.

    I suppose time will tell with this particular beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I was worried as well. This beer stayed 3 weeks in primary and one week in secondary I believe. The FG was the same at transfer and at bottling.
     
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