Should I post a "Bad Trader" thread?

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by brother_kenneth, Mar 27, 2014.

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  1. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    Thanks in advance for reading all of this and for your opinions!

    On Tuesday March 11th, a fellow BA messaged me inquiring about a trade thread I had posted. He agreed to send me some bottles for some stuff I had up for trade. Since he had only one trade under his belt and hadn't been on the site for a year, I did ask if he was comfortable shipping first. He said "of course" and told me he'd plan to ship out the following week (sometime between 3/17 - 3/21) due to the old lady already being pissed about all the trades he had been doing as of late. We agreed that I would ship back in his styro 6-bottle shipper. Well, that next week was about over and I hadn't heard anything, so I sent a message just checking to see if I should keep an eye on the porch. Got no reply. Sent another message on Sunday, 3/23 asking for an update, but again, got no reply. Sent a message yesterday, 3/26, which said this:

    "Hey man, not to be a dick or whatever, but I can see that you're accessing the site but not responding to my messages. I'm okay with a delay if that's what has happened, but I also feel that communication is important with trading. Is everything alright? Are you no longer wanting to do the trade or something? Just let me know. I would appreciate an update, as I have these bottles down for an upcoming tasting and hope I am still getting them."

    He has been on the site and has read everyone of my messages, yet there is still no response. This is delicate, I feel, because we had already formally set up a trade using the BA trading feedback system. My questions to the community are 1) at what point do I out the trader publicly on this forum? and 2) should I leave negative feedback at this stage?

    My obvious dilemma is that he could trash me using the feedback system, if I leave negative feedback for him. At that point it would come down to he said/he said bull shit. I wish these few shitty traders here and there would stop trying to ruin this for all the many great traders on BA. This is getting out of hand honestly. Not only do I have to worry about getting screwed on trades now, but I also have to worry about my trading reputation, since a guy like this could verbally trash me using the feedback system.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated. And cheers to all the good traders out there!

    Brother Kenneth
     
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  2. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,050) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    If you don't want the same thing to happen to someone else, then out him. He will likely try to do the same, but the next trader won't ask for "ship first" and will end up getting screwed.
     
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  3. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    I believe the general consensus with most of us is that if you exchange addresses then its a deal. Did you give him your address? If so I say out 'em!

    I wouldn't want to trade with him either way. No excuse for not responding especially when he's been reading your messages. I also wouldn't worry at all about your feedback. Although I don't know you personally I've definitely seen you around for awhile and I would think that the other 99% of people you've traded with in the past would vouch for you.
     
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  4. abecall98

    abecall98 Savant (1,234) Aug 11, 2007 California
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    Out him, why not.
     
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  5. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    If no beer was sent, move on. He probably had second thoughts, but nobody lost anything. Repost the ISO.
     
  6. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    I love these threads so I can mental notes of who not to trade with.
     
  7. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    Not that I trade much anymore anyway, but I assume you are talking about me? Like to know what was disagreeable.
     
  8. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Nothing personal but I don't want to trade with someone that agrees on a deal and backs out after having second thoughts. If you don't want to do the trade or want to wait until you figure it out, fine, but don't tell me its a deal then come back later and not do it. Or even worse, not respond at all.

    Obviously most of these trades are based on trust btwn two people that don't know each other. Just like in "real" life if someone tells me they are going to do something I expect them to do it and I would do the same. Maybe I'm just crazy or old fashioned.
     
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  9. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    Alright, let's out everybody that's ever backed out of a trade before beer was even sent. Makes sense to me.

    So I'm on a no trade list and somebody joined my ignore list. Good deal.

    OP, do what you like, but the right thing to do is let it go. Guy could have a legitimate reason and you lost nothing.
     
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  10. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Sounds good to me, I like your idea. I've never backed out of a trade in my life whether I had second thoughts or not. If he has a legitimate reason he could REPLY to the OP instead of reading his messages and ignoring him. Glad I could join your ignore list, I hope you don't have second thoughts and take me off it :wink:
     
  11. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    First of all, thanks for all the feedback. I think you all are right about this. I may try to send one more message and then go ahead and post something on here about it.

    This was my dilemma in the first place. I understand your point, and you are right that I am out of nothing here. No big deal as far as that goes. But, since the trading system works the way it does, I have no choice but to leave feedback. Are you proposing that I leave positive feedback? We have exchanged addresses and also agreed on both sides to a formal trade (using the system), so something is going to have to happen, unless there is some way to cancel the trade - which I am not aware of.

    I initially thought there must be something going on that I am not aware of, a legitimate excuse of some nature. Trust me, I am a very patient trader. However, there is simply no excuse for the dude to be reading my messages daily and browsing the forums, yet still not responding. How long does it take to simply say "Sorry, I changed my mind" or "Sorry, my relative is sick and things are crazy right now"? Given the nature of my messages to him, it would seem appropriate that at least some form of response be sent.
     
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  12. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,104) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    If you aren't out any beer then he isn't a bad trader, just an inconsiderate person for not letting you know he changed his mind
     
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  13. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    I have only traded once since the new system was started, and I understand your point.

    You could leave the trade open, but that most likely isn't the best approach. What about leaving it "ok" and explain what happened. Dude can't be a bad trader if no trade took place.

    My opinion only.
     
  14. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    I appreciate your response. I will have to think on this.
     
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  15. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    Thanks for your input! I need to be sure that I am not labeled a bad trader on his end though. Part of me thinks I will just avoid using this system moving forward, unless I have traded with the person before. That way I don't have to take chances like this.
     
  16. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    Thanks for your input dude. Also, Pantera fucking rules.
     
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  17. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,084) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
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    I agree its a very delicate situation. I think at the very least you should message him and offer him an out. Basically something like this:

    "I understand if you don't want to do this trade anymore and perhaps might be avoiding an awkward confrontation. I'm fine if you don't want to do it, just please let me know earlier so I can find someone else to do this trade, I can get the beer I want to trade for and we can all move on happily after after?" Something like that.. and then both of you guys can tell the Bros to cancel the trade request since it was a mutual decision to end the trade before it started.

    ... and then BM me the guy's name so I know not to trade with him in the future.
     
  18. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    If anything you can do what Cosmicevan did and post a "trader beware" type of thread. Essentially its the same thing but not directly calling him a bad trader, just letting other people know that if they set up a trade don't be surprised if he backs out and stops responding.
     
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  19. brother_kenneth

    brother_kenneth Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2012 Virginia

    Steve, you have to be the same dude I follow on IG, right? Glad to see you on here! Also, I really like this idea. If he will agree to that, I think I would be cool with that option. Didn't think about that, but I guess I could initiate a message between me, the dude in question, and Todd to see about having the trade wiped out. I just don't want shitty feedback, in case this dude is actually a fucking liar/douche bag/etc. Not saying he would do that, but who knows at this point.
     
  20. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    In case?
     
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