Should I worry about chloramines?

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  1. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Planning on getting a basic carbon block filter system from MoreBeer (around $42 bucks) and starting to use our tap water to avoid buying lots of expensive bottled water. It says it works great for chlorine, but that to remove chloramines you must run the water through the filter very slowly. After doing a little reading on this online, it seems like the presence of chloramines aren't a big deal, and if I run the water through the filter fairly slowly, it shouldn't be problematic at all. Can any of you speak to this? Do you worry about chloramine presence? Do I need to get a different type of filtration system (note: don't have tons of cash). FWIW, I brew all-grain.
     
  2. GregoryVII

    GregoryVII Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2006 Michigan

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  3. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    I'd read about campden for chloramines, but a couple of people mentioned you had to be really careful with your dosage, or the beer might taste 'off'. Have you found this to be the case? Also, how do you deal with the chlorine in your water?
     
  4. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    I've used campden tablets for years, dosing is pretty easy, 1/4 tablet to 5 gallons of brewing water. Haven't had any off flavors or problems yet. As far as chlorine goes, I think it should evaporate out of the water as you heat it up to strike temperature. It's fairly volatile, which is why some places use chloramine, which stays in the water better. I don't filter my water, but we have very soft water here, so I can basically build a water profile up from scratch.
     
  5. GregoryVII

    GregoryVII Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2006 Michigan

    1 tablet is recommended for 20 gallons, so if you use a whole tablet for 5 gallons I suppose you could be risking some off flavors but I wouldn't worry too much about it. I use a pill cutter and cut it into 1/4ths, but when I started I would just use half a tablet and never noticed any negative affects. Also, only needing a quater of a tablet means a bottle lasts forever.
     
  6. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The amount involved is miniscule.It doesn't really taste and much of it is lost in the boil. It actually stabilises beer as it's a powerful antioxidant; in fact the only preservative allowed in alcoholic drinks.Wines might say "Contains sulphites" on the label; this is the same thing but in wine there's a lot more than 1 tablet in 20 gallons.
     
  7. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    So Marquis, you're saying just do the carbon filter action for chlorine and don't worry much about the chloramines or, if I throw a bit of campden in there, it's certainly not going to hurt anything, but might not help much either?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Don't grossly exceed the recommended dosage and you don't have to worry about it. Also, campden removes chlorine as well as chloramines. But it would be unusual to have both in the same water.
     
  9. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    My comment was purely about Campden tablets!
    I'm saying that Campden tablets are nothing to fear.Apart from removing chloramine any excess won't taste of anything but is very good at killing spoilage organisms but doesn't affect yeast.As well, as I mentioned, as being an excellent anti oxidant.
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    References? Sounds like the miracle chemical...have some sitting on my shelf.
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Search hbd.org that is where I learned it is good to use in the mash as an anti-oxidant.
     
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  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Anyone ever ignore the skull and crossbones on the label and put one on our tongue? WILDFIRE!
     
  13. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    As mentioned earlier, it's a sulphite which is widely used in the wine trade for the same properties.
    For many years it was the only substance (except household bleach) available for sterilisation of brewing equipment.It's in the no-rinse class for this.By the way, if you do use bleach for sanitising , Campden tablets completely remove all traces.
    I never in fact used them as such as Sodium Metabisulphite is exactly the same chemical and is available in powder form, much cheaper than in tablets.
     
  14. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    We have chloramines in our water here and there's plenty of good brewers that don't do any water treatment. Apparently they use a higher level some places than they do here. Does your water smell like chlorine? If it does, you definitely need to treat it. If you can't smell it, you may not need to treat it.
     
  15. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    Well, the most powerful Jedi's have a high chloramine count, so there's that.
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    When I first messed with Mr Beer I got burned by chloramines (I didn't know they were present, and didn't use campden or filters). I discovered they were being used by looking up the local water report. Makes the beer taste like band-aids, and essentially undrinkable (at least at the levels where I used to live and the Mr Beer kits).
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is your personal method for removing chloramines from your tap water?

    Cheers!
     
  18. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I've been using bottled water. I guess it would be campden tho.

    Right now the water here has a strong medicinal smell which I don't know the source (could well be chlorine, chloramine, and/or flouride). I would rather just use spring water and not mess with the water at this time. I'll get to water in the future.
     
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