Side Project / Shared (2022)

Discussion in 'US - Midwest' started by bread_c, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. KevSal

    KevSal Meyvn (1,180) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    CDC8 is amazing! Wish I bought a second before it sold out. It’s legit
     
  2. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Poo-Bah (4,118) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    it’s still available ip at the cellar along with a few other items previously sold out online (DH Marietta being one of them)
     
  3. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Champion (890) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I am sure that without much effort you can obtain another while completing another trade - AND at or below retail cost, since it was included in a package, and thus a glut exists for trade.
     
  4. KevSal

    KevSal Meyvn (1,180) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    thats a very good point, maybe i should send some feelers out before people realize how good it is haha
     
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  5. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (662) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Happy Monday. Cheers!

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Ckgibu

    Ckgibu Initiate (116) Jun 3, 2020 Hawaii
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    Dude, I wanna hear the review!:grimacing:
     
  7. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Poo-Bah (4,118) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    big barrel with subtle notes of needing to restock on bananas :wink:
     
  8. jmlhd7

    jmlhd7 Initiate (110) Dec 22, 2014 Missouri
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    So, anyone have a clue or uneducated guess on what is being released this weekend? My completely random guess is that it’s a shared beer and is BA Coffee shop vibes.
     
  9. eppie82

    eppie82 Meyvn (1,471) Apr 19, 2015 Illinois
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    Uneducated guess: Rye BBT batch 2.
     
  10. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Poo-Bah (4,118) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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  11. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (662) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Bottle is finished. I'm not the best and or most eloquent reviewer, but here goes. Sorry if it's boring/not useful. In no particular order, but things that stood out to me.

    Just over two hours with the full glass. The remaining legs of this continue to generate these droplets of liquid in the glass. Put it down, it resets. Can't get enough/all of it. Delicious.

    It's at its best at room temp.

    Pros: 375 ml. Easy bottle to take down in an afternoon and doesn't leave me legless. Cons: 375 ml. I wanted so much more. A hard glass to put down after each sip.

    Knowing the ABV beforehand, I couldn't have picked it out even knowing the barrel treatment/length. Smooth, zero sense of that 16%.

    That barrel treatment stood out to me the most, it's excellent. Long finish, lingers. Edgy spiciness. Mouthfeel is pretty much exactly what I want in a BA stout. Rich chocolate for me. Never full or "too much." At that room temperature, black cherry, hints of plum.

    Been gone for about a hour and I'm still thinking about it. Wonderful beer. I really wish I had another bottle(s) or a couple of more hours with the second half of a 750.

    Thanks again to @fo1ksguitar for picking the package up and getting it here safely.

    Cheers
     
  12. Heisenbrew

    Heisenbrew Aspirant (231) Aug 21, 2016 Missouri
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    BA Safe Terminal
     
  13. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Champion (890) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    That will be a cool test. Can a Barrel treatment turn a 3.65 rated BW into a stellar beer. (Assuming it is the same batch, just BAd.)
     
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  14. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Poo-Bah (6,227) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    (Proceeds to write extremely eloquent / useful review)
     
  15. gibgink

    gibgink Savant (934) Oct 27, 2014 Missouri
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    Nothing can save Safe Terminal. Not even an overrating at 3.65.
     
  16. KevSal

    KevSal Meyvn (1,180) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    oh hello there Biere Blanche B4
     
  17. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Champion (890) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    It’s bad. Every time I see a post like this all I hear is, “Oh hello there new package beer”.
     
  18. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (662) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Lines up as this was from beeslo’s IG stories on 5/6, previewing the blend.

    I’ve had blends 1 and 3. Really enjoyed both. Classic style with that SP twist of wine barrel treatment.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. KevSal

    KevSal Meyvn (1,180) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    Oh hello there Pulling Nails #14!

    this one sounds delicious
     
  20. KUbeerfan

    KUbeerfan Initiate (71) Feb 9, 2014 Missouri
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    Black & Wild B3 to go @ the cellar! Go get some dark fruits and visit their IG for more info :slight_smile: cheers BA
     
  21. colt3ninja

    colt3ninja Initiate (141) Sep 27, 2014 Florida
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    Gonna wait on that Pulling Nails until it eventually ends up in a package!
     
  22. SeekerOfLight

    SeekerOfLight Initiate (7) Jun 25, 2021

    Can someone explain to me why the packages still exist other than it being a complete money grab? They were touted as a way to help Side Project pay their employees and bartenders during covid back in 2020. Cory mentioned the loss in revenue due to people not being able to come in and have pours or on-site bottles. Feels like the Illinois tollroads that were supposed to be paid off in X number of years....
     
  23. Heisenbrew

    Heisenbrew Aspirant (231) Aug 21, 2016 Missouri
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    ISO news about what Saturday’s release actually is
     
  24. Ckgibu

    Ckgibu Initiate (116) Jun 3, 2020 Hawaii
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    Please oh please NOT the next batch of BA Coco Vibes…unless it also comes to LC :grimacing:
     
  25. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Poo-Bah (4,118) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    i’m thinking (hoping) we’ll know by tomorrow afternoon
     
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  26. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Disciple (353) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Lol toll road being paid off
     
  27. KevSal

    KevSal Meyvn (1,180) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    I think the last reason given that holds weight is it deters flippers. So I guess if someone buys one and his wife, and his neighbor for the sole purpose of flipping, It’ll be 12 bottles and spending $400 plus for 3 bottles to flip for bourbon
     
  28. jmlhd7

    jmlhd7 Initiate (110) Dec 22, 2014 Missouri
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    Was this actually a reason given by Cory? or is this others speculation on the reason?
     
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  29. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (69) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    Well if he allows someone not present at SP to purchase a bottle (that would also sell out in person if he so chose to release it that way) that loss in revenue still exists......

    It's his business. Don't buy the package if it bothers you, someone else absolutely will.
     
  30. jmlhd7

    jmlhd7 Initiate (110) Dec 22, 2014 Missouri
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    I think the point being made was the packages were explained as necessary when they weren't open and I think many were under the impression when they reopened packages would be a thing of the past. Now they are open 7 days a week between the two locations and packages are still even more prevalent.
     
  31. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (69) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    I don't recall anyone saying that. Again, selling stouts online didn't exist before. He could sell every single one in Maplewood. And people would be there buying onsite bottle and getting pours while they did..... If a stout is sold on webstore those are revenues he/his staff are missing out on. That's all pretty easy to follow.
     
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  32. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,209) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I'm not so sure that's true anymore. Locals seem to take the ability to try damn near any release on-site for weeks on end that it's probably no exaggeration to say that 50% of the typical hype crowd wouldn't even care to line up for bottle releases anymore. IMO larger volumes of bottles would hang around for longer than they'd prefer.

    Couple that with the fact that the entire limited beer scene is taking a continuous, slow motion nosedive thanks to the same recipe so many breweries are seeing around the country: there's quality barrel aged beer to be found around every corner, and many consumers simply can't keep up anymore.

    Despite the pandemic, or maybe because of it, a lot of cellars have actually swelled over the last two years. More geeks seem to be looking to consolidate and offload rather than acquire and accumulate. Especially those trying to cut calories and waste lines while shifting focus to whiskey and wine.
     
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  33. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (69) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    Well the IP release this weekend will be a good barometer to that opinion. A lot of what you wrote is true but so far SP is more of the exception than the rule. I don't think they'd have any trouble moving any on site BA stout release over a weekend. That would result in said on site pours/bottles and to go sales.
     
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  34. Ckgibu

    Ckgibu Initiate (116) Jun 3, 2020 Hawaii
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    I do remember part of the discussion about packages being related to the fact that they were closed; however, no mention was ever made that that was going to change when they did, in fact, reopen. That thought was definitely a premature belief made by some at that moment. However, @Readmorevols is correct in that this is Cory & Karen's business, and outside of their employees and potentially some investors, they don't really owe it to anyone to run it a particular way. They are creating a product that has significant demand; and frankly, they're not stupid and ignorant to what a lot of their stouts/barleywines fetch on the secondary market, which, as mentioned above, is lost profit.

    I personally think SP has does an incredible job navigating the balance & transition from a small, niche brewery into a growing & sustainable business model. Excluding LC, they continue to support their loyal local customers w/ frequent access to all their beers, including their incredible BA stouts/barleywines, package-free, w/ the only caveat that they need to be consumed on-site. They've also been doing cellar in-person to-go sales, and are restarting their in-person brewery stout releases.

    Then, they made the amazing decision to allow people from across the country (& world) to participate in purchasing their beers, but again, w/ the caveat that some of the more desirable beers being a part of a package to help showcase some less sought after styles. BTW, it's not like the beers you're getting in the package are trash. Whether that was done to help curb some of the secondary price gouging that was going on, who knows, but let's not forget that it wasn't too long ago where this option didn't even exist.

    And look, I get it, we want prices to remain the same, but that's not realistic, especially w/ the current economy & out of control inflation. The packages aren't cheap, but again, it's not like you're paying all that cost for one single beer, unlike some other breweries. At the end of the day, they're not going to make everyone happy, that's impossible. But cheers to Cory, Karen, & the entire SP crew for at least trying!
     
  35. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (69) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    To your point though, I'm not driving the 7 hours up. Because i think it will be BA Ambiente and I'll be able to attain it rather easily. I'll be rather upset with my self if its RBBT2 though.
     
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  36. Lorddevn

    Lorddevn Initiate (157) Mar 10, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Happened in Virginia Beach. The Norfolk-VA beach toll road was paid off and now it’s free. That’s the exception and not the rule. I remember I80 in Ohio’s contract was up and they said it we close it we will have to raise taxes to cover the cost or we can keep it a toll road and it’s still a toll road.
     
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  37. Chilmer

    Chilmer Zealot (599) May 22, 2018 Iowa
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    Below is what @coryking said about it in an old thread.

    “Our new model is the COVID model, hoping one day, we can adjust to some kind of new normal that is both on-site releases and maybe some online releases.”

    I think with their move to a better online system, it’s become easier for them. So I think maybe became certainly. In the thread he also mentions people getting to try beers they normally couldn’t (me being one). More in person to-go packages have increased as time goes on, and now the in person BA Stout release.

    It seems to me they are figuring out what works best for them and listening to feedback from customers. They know they can’t make everyone happy, but are mixing it up more and more in attempt to please the majority.
     
  38. flat_lander

    flat_lander Savant (980) May 11, 2016 Illinois
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    ISO all flippers' unwanted white labels. You can drop them off on my doorstep, no questions asked. Because I want society to be a better place.
     
  39. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,209) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Of course. It'll be dependent upon batch size, but otherwise, agreed, I'm interested to see what the weekend brings.

    And SP may have been the exception to the rule for a longer span of time than what dozens of other early hype breweries enjoyed across the country, but that can only last so long, as those breweries can attest to. In particular, upon expanding or successfully making their limited or barrel aged programs more accessible, perceived hype has never failed to drop, even if quality remained consistent or even improved.

    Yet shit does happen, and the quality of product some breweries put out may not always entirely hold up, as subjectively was the case during certain spans for breweries like Firestone Walker, Goose Island or Bruery. Still, breweries like Revolution, Cigar City, Fremont, and several others continue to put out exceptional barrel aged product, some of which gets significant distribution, yet they've simmered down to minimal or almost no hype, outside of perhaps an annual release, if that. Where insta-sellout was once taken for granted, it's now management of inventory, and making sure you aren't over leveraging resources and taking up space at the expense of cheaper, more movable product.

    Many other breweries began utilizing the online proxy method for limited releases during the pandemic, while also expanding output only slightly before Side Project seems to have, and they are finding that they can't look back at this point because the demand isn't there locally. The definitions of success, quality and hype don't always entirely overlap, but at some point, it will begin to feel like a top-heavy pursuit, if it hasn't already, as people can only drink so much liquid malt, and something's got to give. It's a good problem for the consumer to have, but it also explains why packages remain when almost no one else does that. The outsiders looking in still view the malty bottles more as a commodity, and they are keeping that engine fueled.