Single Hop Kent Golding IPA?

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  1. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    Thoughts and critiques on the recipe below? Any grains listed will be in a minimash.

    Fermentables
    3.3# Briess Rye LME
    3.3# Briess Pilsen LME
    1lb Victory
    1lb C20
    1lb Carapils

    Brew Schedule
    60 - EKG 2oz
    15 - EKG 2oz, Whirlfloc Tablet, Servomyces
    10 - EKG 2oz
    5 - EKG 2oz
    0 - EKG 2oz

    Fermentation
    Safale 05 @ 68
    House Wild Blend @ 68

    Secondary
    After final gravity stabilizes
    EKG 2oz dry-hop until clarification

    Estimates (Brewtoad)
    1.062 OG
    1.011 FG
    64 IBU
    9 SRM
    7% ABV
    1.02 Ratio
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A few comments:

    Hopping: you have a generous amount of hops at a total of 12 ounces. I think this will result is a tasty IPA but just be aware that EKG is not a potent hop when compared to American aroma hops like Cascade, Centennial, Simcoe, Citra, etc. I dry hop my English Bitter Ale with 2 ounces of EKG and I can just barely pick up the aroma of the hops.

    Yeast: I am familiar with US-05 which is a quality neutral hop. I have no idea what House Wild Blend is and what it will do to the beer.

    Mini-Mash: I have never brewed with Victory Malt and I have heard conflicting things about it like some people say you can steep with it and some say it needs to be mashed along with a base malt (e.g., 2-row malt). Hopefully somebody who is very knowledgeable with Victory Malt can provide you with feedback here.

    Cheers!

    Edit: I suspect that some members of the Crystal Police will state that a total of 2 lbs. of crystal malt will be too much; 2 lbs. of crystal malt is more than the 1 lb. I use for my IPAs but I would not discourage you to use the 2 lbs.
     
  3. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    Thanks for all the thoughts! The wild house blend is basically WLP670 + brett lambicus cultured out of a few yeast cakes from previous Rye IPAs.
     
  4. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    The EKG issue depends a lot on where you source the hops. The true EKG's (imported) from HopsDirect have always been a bummer (actually most from Hops Direct have been lackluster in the stickiness category), the HopUnion ones have been better, but like to you said still no to the level of C Hops

    I was also gonna comment, I dont think you need any carapils in there. I dont personally dont count carapils as being a crystal malt (really no sweetness really) so I'm not coming from the 2# angle, its more I just dont see the need whatsoever in your beer.

    I might try and persuade you to use C40 or C60 instead of 20L though. I feel that a tad darker crystal will blend the rye and EKG's a bit better
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “WLP670 American Farmhouse Blend
    Inspired by local American brewers crafting semi-traditional Belgian-style ales. This blend creates a complex flavor profile with a moderate level of sourness. It consists of a traditional farmhouse yeast strain and Brettanomyces. Great yeast for farmhouse ales, Saisons, and other Belgian-inspired beers”

    Is it your intention to brew a Belgian IPA?

    Cheers!
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    What style are you trying to make?

    I do one often that is Pale ale malt, a pound of EKG in the boil (10 gal), and a British ale yeast, lots of sulfates.
     
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  7. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    Of sorts! I brewed a Mosaic single hop Rye IPA, dosed in the secondary with lambicus, and have used the cultured blend a few times since. Plus easy to replicate. Very tasty and it tends to provide some growth potential even as the hops die down.

    No particular style. The house single hop IPA series I do is the hop schedule below, 9.9# Rye LME, and the house wild blend. This is an attempt to make something...well, I don't know. American RyePA aging into a Belgian IPA I suppose?

    The carapils addition was to add some body and mouthfeel, but I could definitely be persuaded otherwise. I just didn't want to overpower the EKG. That said, I could always buy a full pound for $3 more and turn the 5 and flameout additions to 3oz and the dry hop to 4oz.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ ..turn the 5 and flameout additions to 3oz and the dry hop to 4oz.” Well, that would indeed create more hop aroma/flavor.

    I personally have never brewed with so much hop material in a beer so I have no way of knowing how this would turn out. I suppose you could run the experiment and report how it turns out.

    Cheers!

    P.S. There is still the issue of Victory Malt and whether a base malt is needed in the mini-mash. Hopefully somebody will chime in here.
     
  9. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    Yeah, that is very fair. I can add in pilsen or just steep for the bit of flavor. The brett should eat away even at the non-converted starches if they get in there (little tipsy so may be off there).

    I've brewed with a pound+ of hop pellets semi-regularly, and while you certainly lose good wort, it does help. Usually I stick to the 8oz schedule to showcase the hops with the single hop series (since same simple malt base for each) but here it worries me more due to the goldings.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ I've brewed with a pound+ of hop pellets semi-regularly,…” Well, you have some experience here that I do not have. Using a pound+ of hops for a 5 gallon batch is a lot of material. I would be concerned about getting a vegetative aspect from that amount but I am guessing that you did not notice that in your pound+ batches? If so, then I suppose using a pound of EKG should be OK for this batch?

    Cheers!
     
  11. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    Not particularly, as doing a full boil and straining the hop sediment worked out nicely (possibly because I live in an apartment so have to do sink cooling rather than a wort chiller so flameout does some extra works). Leaving the dry hop in too long created vegetal aspects, and with EKG being so light on both alpha and beta, I do worry more.
     
  12. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Ive done 2# in a 5gal batch and it never had a vegetative aspect, more is better!
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I will take your word on that.

    Cheers!
     
  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The one I do with a pound of EKG/10 gallons turns out to be harsh from all the low aa hops in a 90 minutes boil. Aging in the cellar like historic ones for 6+ months drops it bright and it mellows. Dry hopping then with an ounce or so per 5 gallons brightens it up.

    The one I made 3 or so weeks age was transferred to the kegs 2 days ago, and those are in the cold garage. I am thinking of putting those in a lagering fridge at cold temps to drop it bright quicker.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Ron Pattinson and Marquis should think about how many pounds per British bbl that would be!
     
  16. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    About 17 or 18 pounds.This seems to be about three times the typical amount used in an old time IPA BUT those were largely used as bittering hops. The ales were much more attenuated and probably affected by Brett as well.They would have been dry as dust. I've had a Pale Ale brewed using 6 pounds of West Coast hops per barrel on top of the bittering component (the beer was their standard 5% ABV PA plus the extra hops)and it didn't register as particularly bitter to me (one or two others disagreed) , there was almost a sweetish floral taste to it.
     
  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I would not normally use 2# crystal (incl carapils) because of sweetness and heaviness. It crosses a personal threshold for me - ymmv. However, you are using a Brett blend, which may do interesting things if you give it time and something to chew on, like the dextrins from those crystal malts, so maybe my normal advice does not apply. However (two howevers!), a lot of hop character can fade with long term aging. If you go that route, maybe plan on a dose of dry hops after the Brett works some magic. It depends on what you want.
     
  18. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    As we've spoke about before , this is exactly what I do. I have one in the lager fridge that is 10 week mark and will be stellar in another few months. That one finally used the Warminster floormalted MO.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This would not be a mini-mash, because there is no malt with any diastatic power to convert the starches in the Victory malt. You'd need to add some base malt.
     
  20. VincentFrey

    VincentFrey Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Maryland

    So throw in about 2lb pilsen to get the diastatic power?
     
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