Singlecut the NYC sleeper for hops and lagers

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  1. TmaveTebow

    TmaveTebow Zealot (744) Sep 3, 2013 New York
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    Talking straight from the brewery sores fild at no makeup. That’s how I shop for all my beer these days in NYC. Their prices are right on par with others. $16 to $18 for an ipa. $20 for a DDH dipa. Some of their other stuff is actually priced cheaper than average. $14 for a six pack of 12 oz frequency lager bottles is a nice deal.

    Their loyalty program has some decent perks too. I have $14 worth of points. Not quite as good as threes loyalty program but it’s good - I mean hey, it’s free beer.

    I feel like they must be brewing some large batches up north. They are currently selling dazzle dazzle drone for which I got an email for the release on 7/29. I will admit that’s not a great sign... I go by the emails I get form them or check the website, which has the releases with the dates.
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, that's not how it typically worked just a few years ago - before the rise of the "own premise" brewery (aided, in part, by changes in many states' alcoholic beverage laws).

    It was once common on this and other beer forums to read complaints that beer purchased directly from the brewery (thus, in theory, cutting out the two middle tiers) was the same or nearly equal to the price the brand was being sold at nearby retailers. Brewers explained that was because they did not want to undercut their retailers and wholesale distributors, since the brewery depended on their 3 Tier (or, where there was legal self-distribution, 2 Tier) partners who account for the bulk of their sales.

    Now breweries are able to "keep" a large portion of the retail price that once was the retailer and wholesaler profit margin. On top of that, they've eliminated, or shifted to the purchaser, the traditional expenses of distribution (labor, warehousing, vehicles, fuel).

    The fact that these beers that sell for $15 at the brewery but after distribution are selling for $20 or more ("an extra $2-3/can" :astonished:) at retailers suggests that many brewers are simply selling beer to the wholesalers or, if self-dist., retailers without much of a traditional "wholesale" quantity discount.

    Or, of course, :wink: the second and third tiers are just charging higher prices for an above-standard profit margin because of hype/rarity/demand.
     
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  3. Tallerboy

    Tallerboy Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2017 New York
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    The extra $2-3 a can is usually on loosies. There's a deli by me that's really reasonable that sells Grimm loosies with a buck mark up on loosies, but I'm in south Brooklyn.
     
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  4. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    @TmaveTebow Would you have any background on their "Billy 18-Watt" "18-Watt", etc.? (the name has changed over the years). I started drinking it back in....I guess 2016 in the suburbs north of Boston, MA. I was blown away. Super bright yellow, murky and the fresh hoppy smell just exploded in your face. The taste was massive grapefruit with extremely low bitterness. And it was 5.0% abv. I was drinking lots of Treehouse and Trillium at the time but no IPA compared (for me) at 5% abv. Then a couple years later, something happened. It completely changed. It become less murky, still with a bit of haze and the color turned a dull gold. The aroma was ok but nothing too special and the taste had much less grapefruit and way more sharp bitterness. I was able to find some in cans and had the same experience. Found it on tap at a 2nd spot (similar location) and same change. I tried reaching out to see if there had been a recipe change or whatever but I didn't have any luck contacting anyone. Every 6 months or so, I pick up a 4pk to see how it is but it's been the same ever since. Anyway, it used to be one of my all-time favorite beers and I've always wondered what changed. Any chance you've talked about or know anything about this specific Singecut beer? Thanks!!
     
  5. TmaveTebow

    TmaveTebow Zealot (744) Sep 3, 2013 New York
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    I haven’t had 18-watt recently. I really loved the beer in the past. Many of their beers are returning to the quality they were putting out in early years. If any of the other hoppy beers I’ve had recently are any indication of where that beer is at now I’d say it’s definitely worth another try. I will try it on tap next time and buy some cans if less than a month old. I’ve seen it around at local shops but either out of date or on the warm shelf.

    I do agree with you that The beer seemed to get a little darker in color. Maybe at some point some different malts got added to “balance” the beer as a session IPA, or maybe just something in the process changed.

    For all their beers in general, I will say that something has changed very recently and the color and and level of haze shown on Untappd may not be a good indicator of what the most recent batch is like.
     
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  6. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    @TmaveTebow Thanks for the reply and insight! I shouldn't harp on about color too much it was just something so different from the usual. I wondered if maybe they switch up the hops in that one sometimes too which would definitely change hop flavor/aroma. Another possibility that crossed my mind was the kind of hop contracts they had in the past vs. what they have now. Anyway, I'll keep trying it out every so often. Thanks again!
     
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