Siphoning problem, ruined?

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  1. hombrepalo

    hombrepalo Zealot (609) Mar 27, 2008 Illinois

    So I was bottling my IPA this weekend. I had pellet dry hopped in primary and was moving it to my bottling bucket. I had heard that putting a hop sack at the bottom of my siphoning wand would help eliminate some of the debris, so I tried that. I could not get my brew to siphon properly for a while. I pretty much pumped at least 1/8 of the brew into my bottling bucket when I decided to remove the sack and try again, and of course it worked perfectly after that and I finished the steps to bottle the beer (with some debris from loose hops and some trub). My questions is: Is my beer going to be oxidized with that amount that I pumped into the bucket? And what could I have done to fix the problem once it occurred?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Quite possibly. My recommendation would be to drink this beer fairly quickly.

    Added some Vitamin C maybe? I haven't done this myself, but have heard of it.
     
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  3. hombrepalo

    hombrepalo Zealot (609) Mar 27, 2008 Illinois

    What are the negatives of using Vitamin C (asorbic acid)?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You're trying to beat oxidation. There's no definitive answer. But if/when it becomes apparent, it will be too late.

    Beats me.
     
  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Disadvantages: need to add it quick...and Vitamin C tablets look a lot like aspirin tablets (to me)...need I say more?
    No fusel headaches from that batch :slight_smile:
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have read technical papers which questions the efficacy of ascorbic acid in reducing/preventing oxidation. Given that I would suggest that a negative could be using ascorbic acid as a ‘crutch’.

    It is much better to have sound brewing process to reduce/mitigate oxidation.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    If anyone asks, just say you were going for something along the lines of a traditional grodziskie (which was sometimes brewed with willow bark, from which salicylic acid was discovered).
     
  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    well I don't know the approved spelling, but I have a bomber of a Lips of Faith collaboration with 3 Floyds that is a "Gratzer Ale"...oh, shit...first bing search brings up a "Shut Up About Barclay Perkins" article...think I'll just save this bottle for a friend and go to bed early ...my computer is crashing anyway ...(doesn't take much) :slight_smile:
     
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  9. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Unless the pumping introduced O2 into the bottling bucket via splashing or excessive 'gurgling' ... then there is absolutely no reason to be the least little bit concerned about oxidation.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Each pump adds more air to the beer, in a non gentle way.
     
  11. ZDSmith87

    ZDSmith87 Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2014 Massachusetts

    Ha I did this same exact thing last night, except I put a muslin bag over the siphon. It worked pretty well until the last 1/4 or so and then started getting oxygen infused into the siphon. I just assumed that my siphon had broken, also because water has been leaking out of the bottom part. So I stopped with probably a gallon left of my 5 gallon batch, didn't want to ruin what I had already had in the bottling bucket. You think all the oxygen happened because of covering up the siphon?
     
  12. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    I made a batch early on where I "pumped" probably 1.5 gallons. Ended up being fine. I wouldn't worry about it, personally.
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If there is no air/oxygen in the pump or in the siphon stream (except at the first flow), I don't see how either device can put oxygen into the beer. Am I missing something? Air has to come from the surface of the beer.
     
  14. WelshBrewer

    WelshBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2013 Oregon

    I think you are worrying too much! Bottle it, check it in two weeks drink it and be happy.
     
  15. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I had a messy, splashy siphon on a batch recently that I thought would be oxidized for sure, but 4-5 weeks later I still haven't seen any signs that it is. It might show up as time goes on, so drink up fast!
     
  16. hombrepalo

    hombrepalo Zealot (609) Mar 27, 2008 Illinois

    Thanks everyone for your advice, going to be giving a few bottle for X-Mas gifts and drinking the rest during the holidays. Lesson learned: Test the siphon out!
     
  17. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I have tried and now like putting a sanitized paint strainer bag over the trub before siphoning instead of trying to wrap the siphon itself. I find it works fine and mostly keep the same amount of trub out of my beer as before. A little bit of trub in a bottle or two doesn't send me spiraling into a panic, BTW. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Is your primary a bucket? Do you basically use the paint strainer bag as a bucket liner?

    Cheers!
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    When you plunge and pull the plunger, the seal is repeatedly made and broken, allowing new air to contact the beer. It shouldn't be that way, but the fit isn't perfect. If you want to see this, assemble the auto siphon and put it in a bucket that has at least a few inches of water in the bottom. Then carefully pour a couple ounces of food-colored water into the barrel. The colored water will be above the seal. Now pump away, and watch the water below the seal as tendrils of color enter it.
     
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  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    This is why spigots are superior to autosiphons :slight_smile:
     
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