Sixpoint (April 2018)

but to answer your question, I will bring this up at our next production meeting...stay tuned

 

OK, so I acrtually agree with this post.

On the "1% within Beer Advocate", I think we are simply misunderstanding each other-- I totally believe (and supply one myself with great beers) that there are many beer experts who are quiet or not on BA, taste buds are genetic after all, and many people just taste things better than others. What I was trying to say more was that this chat indeed represents superpassionate beer people (again, superpassionate beer people are also NOT in this chat), and most of the beer market is much different than the top 20 posters here. Many of them are, as you say, "flavor of the month" people, or "tick the box" types, which may not be your preferred customer, which I can completely understand. I am actually not, I would rather have repeats of the same great beer and I often skip new beers due to the hop bill or figuring it is highly unlikely it will be better than beers I have enjoyed in the past, but I also want some variety as the same beer every night is less fun.
There is indeed something to be said for a great overall experience: location, convenience, service, consistency, with a solid product of course. (Danny Meyer's restaurant group excelled at this model). Three's has done this to some extent, Captain Lawrence with family friendly model, and many more that other know about. And I totally understand the benefit of this-- imagine, walking around the corner to a place with great vibe (maybe food too), where you can meet and talk to the brewer who is passionate, where you never have a line, where the beer is very good. You can take you wife, your co-workers, your family there and everyone has a fun night. There's never a line, and you are never disappointed. Most beer lovers in the world would be really happy to go there and be passionate customers. However, many, many of us on this chat do not want this. We will do crazy things with time/money to taste beers that are better.

So I think I disagree with you in this way: Somehow to me new Sixpoint beers seem a clear notch below the best beers that the best breweries in this area area currently putting out. Many of the beers at WF are this, or are 2 steps below. I am not the only one and there is data (not perfect) that backs this up. And I grant that others disagree with me. I am curious why you "big boys" cannot do this-- whether you do not really need to compete to make your model work, or you somehow are unable to. Part of this is that it is early (although Grimm and Eq were out of the gates fast), partly you have chosen hops that are not crowd favorites and have not brewed many DIPAs yet, all of which are relevant.
If you were to make a Citra beer as good as All Citra everything, which is not new, is again one of my favorite beers of the year (in its multiple canning), which was available at OH on a wednesday with no line (and some amazing beers on tap), that would shut me up!

 

Wish I could make this release but I'll be in Texas, hitting up at least 10 breweries down there! My friend Anthony may be going to the release I have to confirm if he ordered, if so I'm stilling some of his beers

 

Which Texas breweries? I'll be down there the 12-15 as well. I would think @Sixpoint has my personal calendar as I've been out of town for all but one of their releases.

 

Still not directly answering my question but I’ll give up now as I don’t want to derail the thread

 

Well, it if helps, Rozzom, Sensodyne is one of the only toothpastes without SLS (Sodium Laurel Sulfate), which is a harsh cleaning agent that is the main ingredient in most generic shampoos. It makes a huge difference in triggering "canker sores" for some people, which I used to get all the time as a kid before we figured it out!

 

Nice! I'll be in Austin from the 9th-11th, San Antonio 12-15th. Austin, I plan on- Oddwood Ales, Jester King, Wright Bros, Lazarus, St. Elmo. San Antonio- Kunstler, Freetail, Weathered Souls, Southerleigh, Ranger Creek. We'll see if I'm able to hit all of them lol.

 

following up on this - team reworked the countdown timer and its crossover to the buying function, should be all fixed for all users regardless of phone/device....we tested it a dozen times last night...

should work seamlessly now on Monday 4/9 so let's see how it goes!

 

I didn't see Live Oak mentioned on there...I would put that near the top of the list.

 

I had Hootie, Hootie Hoo, and the Hi-Resin. So not everything but I only have one liver and cannot try every beer from every brewery and sometimes I will skip based on brewery or hop bill to allow room for milk for the kids in my fridge!
And believe it or not I traded a HVB linelyfe beer for the Hi-Res !!!!!!

 

That was actually on my list, I didn't go through my phone to see everything I wrote down. Whether or not I get to all these places is another story haha.

 

Live Oak also makes a good Pilsner. I bought a 6-pack last fall when I was visiting my sister in New Braunfels and I enjoyed drinking those beers.

Cheers!

 

Thanks for your insight here. I'd also like to not use these threads and our respective precious time on planet earth trying to create "gotcha" moments for each other and bickering over semantics. There's no satisfaction in this at all and honestly I think some of the people who read these Sixpoint threads might find it entertaining but most of them find it obnoxious and boring. Also, it just seems petty when others such as @RobNewton pointed out we can just focus the discussion on the beer and the pipeline of innovation that is coming out. As I said before you have our commitment on that, but its a two-way street.

I have some more thoughts and feedback on your comments as well as @ScottKramer 's latest insights, but I'm about to meet up with a dear friend for some Dutch craft beers and I'm already running late.

 

@RobNewton, @ScottKramer, and maybe @rozzom (but I think you understand what I'm going to say) or others....

Any time a brewery representative participates in these forums you gotta consider their angle as a business. What they say, or don't say, will almost always be marketing of their business to some degree. Still, brewery representatives can provide fantastic information about their beer, the industry, and feedback that you cannot get anywhere else. Some brewers insert more marketing (e.g. Sixpoint) than others, but you have to filter that stuff out and hold onto the good information. It doesn't do anyone any good to go tit for tat on semantics of marketing with brewers, because if you make the forums hostile for them, then we may lose the great information brewers can provide everyone. You may score a few "likes" from random people on the internet of similar mind who think you're sticking it to "the man," but I assure just as many people are quietly rolling their eyes at you, and if a brewery representative decides it's not worth their time participating here then everyone loses.

 

Yup, I noticed that Greg Koch (Stone Brewing) stopped participating on BA after some unpleasantness and derision directed at him on a European forum.

I suppose somebody might make a causation vs. correlation argument as regards to Greg's decision to no longer participate but I am personally convinced here.

Cheers!

 

Hootie, Hootie Hoo cans, Anti Resin, DDH Resin, and a few beers I vaguely remember from the anti resin release. Maybe an idaho 7 farm beer, a pale ale, and two others including a porter.

Question, when something like Bengali is on at one of these events, is this Bengali from the Tennessee location or is it from the Red Hook facility?

 

@Sixpoint is welcome to say “I think my beer is fucking great” all day long and I’m a) not going to have an issue with it and b) I’m not going to respond

But if he makes claims that they have data that objectively places them amongst the best of breed, then I’m going to ask how that works exactly, because I don’t see how that’s possible. And if I get BS responses I’ll keep asking. Even if that means you rolling your eyes. This is a forum. We’re all equals here. A brewery doesn’t get special treatment, and doesn’t get to make big claims without also dealing with follow up questions

And do people really post for likes?

And come on man that’s pretty patronizing