Slightly Different Founders Packaging?

I wouldn't say $20 for a bomber is consistent with other breweries special releases. But okay.

 

And you mean to say Founder's isn't making exorbitant profits off of KBS, Backstage series, Backwoods Bastard, Reds Rye, FBS, Double Trouble, Rubaeus, Harvest Ale, and Devil Dancer when compared to their profits from year round beers? Yeah, you might want to check your head.

 

Yeah, you might want to check ingredient costs and the value of time/space in producing a beer.

 

Okay, I am game.

Is this an educated opinion, you have substantial information to back up your claim, or are you simply speculating?

I am sure you figured the extra raw materials, storage time and opportunity cost into the price of these limited releases you mention. You would have also taken into account the turnover they could have gotten in that time if the would have simply brewed their staples? Right? You must have accounted for that, I am sure.

 

You also may be paying a bit higher than most there. That may not be Founder, try distributors and stores.

 

I don't have that information, because I am not Founders, but I am willing to say that I am right. Their turnover wouldn't of been higher with their staples(most of which gather dust on the shelves...wonder why they switched Red's Rye to seasonal?) because when their seasonal or specialties come out, they fly off the shelves....and some don't even reach them *cough* KBS *cough*. And I'm guessing those 'extra raw materials' and 'storage time' are what fetch the higher price tag and money in their pockets, right?

 

You are missing a few huge pieces here. When I talk about turnover, I talk about fermentation tank turn over. Their staples generally spend less time in the fermentation tanks which allows them to be brewed more often meaning more units out the door, time on retailers shelves in relevant. The higher gravity beers or fruit beers require substantially more raw materials per batch, try pricing out grain or raspberries for their batch sizes. Storage is not free either, you are not going to have a beer sit it barrels for a year and not charge more money to make up for the cost of the square footage it requires for storage.

You may make a smaller profit per unit on your year round lineup but the high turnover adds up. Seasonal and limited releases are limited for the simple fact that they are unsustainable to produce on a regular basis. If they were really as profitable as you are trying to make this out to be wouldn't they produce them all the time?

 

Come on guys, the dude is from Kentucky. He finds Rare on the shelf! No wonder he hates on Founders seasonal beers. Let's cut him some slack.

 

So they would've produced more beer....that is sitting on retailers shelves gathering dust...to sell again to the retailers. Well that sounds very profitable, until the retailers say wow this beer isn't moving! You think they aren't making money on their seasonals? Then why the fuck would they make them dumbass! Stop pulling all these facts out of your ass acting like you know Founder's makes more money off of their year round beers. You don't know which way it is either.

 

Calm down. This isn't just Founders, this is the same for almost all breweries.

Breweries sell beer to distributors, not to store. Stores often get a higher allocation of seasonals and limited releases based on their sales of a breweries year round offerings. If you live in a place where you see Founders year rounds consistently gathering dust I am beginning to understand what you are basing your assumptions off of.

The statements that I have made are based off of information which has come from large production breweries and distributors. I have received similar information while engaged in conversation from Founders employees as well. While I will admit I do not have absolute knowledge of the situation, my statements are based off of very legitimate information from within the industry. The facts may be pulled out of my ass but they still are facts.

 

If the beers you listed made them a ton of money, they wouldn't be limited.

 

I would bet that some breweries lose money on certain limited releases.

 

I bet you're a lot of fun to drink with.

 

And you know that how?

 

I like the new caps

 

Breweries like New Belgium have said that Fat Tire allows them to brew LaFolie, which is a folly financially.

Several brewers say that the flagship beer pays the bills. SN is 70% Pale Ale. Bells is usually around 50% Oberon, and I think that is why the door handles to the new brewhouse are made from Oberon tap handles.

I agree that the production beers pay the bills.

 

And for New Glarus, Spotted Cow is around 80% of their production.

 

It must pay the bills, the new Hill Top brewery is nice.

 

Because we aren't 2013ers?

EVERYONE knows that the year-round staples that "we" typically don't care for (Fat Tire, Allagash White, BLVD Wheat) pays the bills and allows the breweries to make the limited stuff we go nuts for.

Enjoy tilting at windmills though.

 

Founders pricing has gotten out of hand in most of RI and Mass. When Centennial averages 11.99 a sixer and Harvest is 14.99 a 4pack(got some at 9.99 last year), this is not good. I wish the black caps would help the price. lol