Smoked Beers

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  1. sisterthelonious

    sisterthelonious Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2013 Wisconsin

    Black Husky Smoke Monster is one of my favorite beers of all time. Tastes like someone dipped bacon in a frosty.
     
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  2. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I am a Jack's Abby junkie to begin with, and S&D is what got me started on this kick - that is a great beer and a staple in my house. Fire in the Ham isn't too shabby either. Like I said, I haven't tried any of the "big boys" in this style yet but everything I have tried (rauchbiers, smoked porters, stouts) I have liked. Some more, some less, of course. I do see the sweet comment the more I poke around - so at least I know it isn't unique that I get the taste. It's not quite sugar sweet - just a vague perception of sweetness. Didn't get that so much with Fire in the Ham. Noticed it most in Mystic Auerbach's Rauchbier - it is a little "thin" for the style, but I find it very tasty. It is also very creamy and smooth, but I get a sweet flavor right away when I was expecting the smoke to dominate. Smoke & Dagger - definitely think it has some sweet flavor. Maybe it is related to the texture and mouthfeel.

    I don't believe I really get a "meat flavor" in any of them, but I make that association. Fire in the Ham - the immediate impression is "bacon", but I wouldn't say it is bacon flavor. It's just what I think of when I smell and taste that brew. My wife likes this one as well and says the same thing. I believe someone posted about the association with ham - it's like that. Some have the attributes that make a ham what it is, but doesn't really taste like ham.
     
  3. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Crusader says that Aecht Schlenkerla may be (seem) chemically sweeter than many, but doesn't taste so. So true. I would posit that the smoked beers from Aecht Schlenkerla are a brand of alchemy that is very hard to define. Not for everyone, but close to perfection.
     
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  4. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    I don't know that there are many American smoke beers that are more in your face than Schlenkerla.....


    I agree though, "smoke beer" is less of a style and more of a technique. To add to what you already mentioned, I've seen smoked barleywines, smoked "wee heavy" (Scottish barleywine), smoked wheatwines, smoked stouts/porters, smoked imperial stouts/porters, smoked hefeweizens, smoked doppelbocks, smoked Oktoberfestbier and smoked helles lagers. I've heard of smoked brown ales and smoked Irish red ales.
     
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  5. kekasper

    kekasper Devotee (334) Jun 12, 2008 North Carolina

    Had Stone, and Epic's smoked porter, and really don't recall any additional sweetness over a porter. Really as some have said, just that smoked flavor on top of a good porter flavor.
     
  6. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Seems like we start with Alaskan Smoked Porter (yummy alder) and progress to Schlenkera
    Now we see others like "Vampire Slayer" oops
    Its a nice side
     
  7. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    My experience with USA smoked beers is limited. Hence the “inspired” part, referring to European examples which were clearly influenced by USA & not by German tradition.
    It is about balance for me, I know that many will disagree with me but I found Stone Smoked Porter very unbalanced. Shenkerla in my opinion on the other hand is supremely balanced.
     
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  8. BourbonJersey

    BourbonJersey Pundit (823) Jan 18, 2014 New Jersey

    Had Mendocino Talon Smoked Double Porter the other night in NYC, cask aged, and man was that good.

    Also, Stone Smoked Porter with Vanilla beans if you can find it has a nice gentle smokey flavor.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “It is about balance for me, I know that many will disagree with me but I found Stone Smoked Porter very unbalanced. Shenkerla in my opinion on the other hand is supremely balanced.” An intriguing idea. What exactly defines “balance” in a smoked beer?

    Cheers!
     
  10. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    To me, it means that the smoked flavor/smell isn't overpowering the other characteristics of the beer.
     
  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    For me, it's not allowing the smoke to overpower GOOD beer. Aecht Schlenkerla for some is too smoky, but the extreme high quality of the beer wears the natural smoking quite nicely to me. Many American versions that I have tried are strong on smoke and weak on BEER.
     
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  12. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Exactly- and that underlying quality in Schlenkerla means that it gets better the more you have of it.

    I recently picked up a bottle of Fort Collins Out of the Ashes, in part due to the tag around the neck of the bottle indicating a GABF Gold medal winner. The first 6 ounces or so were quite nice indeed, with a clean smoke character and good balance. But after that it became a chore to drink as the malt character began to fade. One bomber was enough for me. I can see how it won a medal, since the judges only had a limited amount to work with, but overall Schlenkerla's Helles gets it right because the base beer is fantastic in its own right.
     
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  13. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    My favorite smoked beer is the Red Herring from Green Jack Brewery. In my review, I did note that it exhibited little to no sweetness. I think it's overwhelming quality is creaminess. It's about as sweet as un-sugared cream is sweet
     
  14. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I just finished and reviewed Jack's Abby Fire in the Ham. The smoke, using beechwood, was VERY well done imho. Quite different from any other smoked brews I've tried. Caveat...no German smoked brews have I ever had the chance to try.
     
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  15. AdamF625

    AdamF625 Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2010 Massachusetts

    Hill farmstead's smoked porter is rediculous. It might be better than Alaskan. If you have the opportunity to get it/trade for it you will not regret it. It has a fuller mouthful and more chocolate/roasted malt character.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ ..but overall Schlenkerla's Helles gets it right because the base beer is fantastic in its own right.”

    I am also a fan of Schlenkerla Helles; a tasty beer indeed.

    Michael, just out of curiosity, you do know that zero smoked malt is used to make Schlenkerla Helles, right?

    Cheers!
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Hill farmstead's smoked porter…” What is the name (brand) of the Hill Farmstead Smoked Porter?

    Cheers
     
  18. AdamF625

    AdamF625 Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2010 Massachusetts

    Fear and trembling. BM me if your interested in a trade, I may have an extra bottle. I would have to check my cellar.
     
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  19. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    That is true, but the Helles has an interesting character that may not be smoked, but does have nuances in that direction. Maybe the fermenters? I believe he may have been referring to the "nuetral" Helles as very high quality, indicating quality throughout the line-up.
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah, and I am amazed that they could consistently pull something like that off so well. There are precious few brewers in the world who could get just the right amount of smoke character in a beer like that without using any smoked malt- they seem to have it nailed down ( pretty much like everything else they do :wink:).

    Yeah- I was focusing on the 'drinkability' of the base helles there, but there is no doubt that it has a smoked character. The beer I was relating it to has a helles-like base beer.
     
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