Smoked Schwarzbier?

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  1. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I'm sitting here enjoying a Rock Bottom KoP Nevermore Lager (Schwarzbier). And like a typical American craft drinker I've gotta guild the lily and wonder what would this be like smoked? Are there any smoked Schwarzbiers?
     
  2. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Savant (914) Sep 4, 2010 California

    Rauchbier?
     
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  3. Danny1217

    Danny1217 Crusader (798) Jul 15, 2011 Florida

    I had a smoked schwarzbier at Braustelle in Koln that was pretty good. Definitely a good mix
     
  4. stingley

    stingley Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Not sure if it's what you're talking about but a few year's ago Sam Adams had a beer called Bonfire in their fall or winter pack... absolutely LOVED IT! Haven't seen it since... :slight_frown:
     
  5. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Rauchbier is a smoked marzen I think.
     
  6. ESHBG

    ESHBG Aspirant (210) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    It was in their fall pack in 2011, I remember it well...and please don't ask just how I remember this so well :grimacing:

    I haven't been to Rock Bottom in KOP in a while but I definitely enjoy a good Schwarzbier so I'll have to stop by soon!
     
  7. TheFightingMongooses

    TheFightingMongooses Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 New Jersey

    I haven't seen a smoked schwarzbier, but I am sure they're out there, and I would love to try one.

    I always wonder when a beer stops being whatever the base style is, and becomes a rauchbier. I know it's not necessary to place every beer into a style category, but does Schlenkerla make a smoked Marzen or a rauchbier. Does it matter?
     
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  8. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Meyvn (1,171) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    Rauchbier is just German for smoked beer.
     
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  9. Sycodrummer

    Sycodrummer Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2004 Massachusetts

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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,574) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  11. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Yeah but the base beer is closer to a marzen style than say a smoked Doppelbock or weizen or something else.
     
  12. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Savant (914) Sep 4, 2010 California

    I think "does it matter" is the key point. I don't think it matters much at all and I think the OP asked a legitimate questions. I was just being tongue in cheek.
     
  13. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,053) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Well, yes and no. Schlenkerla's Maerzen may be the paragon of the style, but it is actually more of an anomaly among classic Bamberg Rauchbier. I'd say the majority are simply classified as "Rauch Lager"; this is the case with Spezial's house Rauchbier (they also make a Maerzen-strength Rauchbier, but it is available only by the bottle IIRC). Greifenklau's Greif-R is more in the basic lager style (read: strength), as are the Rauchbiere from Rittmayer, Goller, Hoenig, and Hummel. Then there are the Kellerrauchbiere like Drei Kronen's Stoeffla, Friedel's Schlotfegerla, and Kraus's Hirschentrunk. I'd maybe put Barnikel's Rauchbier in the Maerzen strength/category, but it, too, could just as easily be described as a basic "lager."

    But to (finally) answer your question: I have never seen (nor drunk) a smoked Schwarzbier.
     
  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,363) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    I have had the Spezial Maerzen in the pub when it is in season.
     
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  15. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,053) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I still think they serve it from the bottle, though. Every time I've ordered one, I've seen them go grab a chilled bottle and pour it into the Maerzen Seidla.
     
  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,363) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Really? I'll look closed next time. Usually at a table looking at the menu when is order.
     
  17. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Knowing very little about true German beers, this is an impressive answer to me.
     
  18. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    You are mistaken
     
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  19. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Poo-Bah (6,538) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    the idea of a smoked schwarz scares me.... :grimacing: then again stranger things have happened... :slight_smile:
     
  20. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    Sounds like a lager version of a smoked porter.

    ISO smoked schwarzbier
     
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  21. BEERMILER12

    BEERMILER12 Poo-Bah (2,478) Sep 11, 2010 Maine

    There is no general 'base' for a rauchbier aside from the beer that is being smoked (using smoked malt, obviously).

    Just a few examples (aside from the märzen):
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/263/1018
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/263/1324
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/263/54731

    And again, to answer the OP, the only smoked schwarz I've had was from Jack's Abby (somone also mentioned it above). It's year-round but JA only distributes in MA for the time being.
     
  22. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,045) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Coming out soon: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/417/87181

    Can't wait to try it.
     
  23. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,045) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    See post above -- just down the road.
     
  24. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,045) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois



    Don't be afraid of the dark! :wink:

    Besides, it's been out there all along and you never even knew it!
     
  25. SwillBilly

    SwillBilly Zealot (524) Feb 4, 2004 Virginia

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  26. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Been loving Class of '88.
     
  27. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Ok, would it be fair to say "traditional" rauchbier is closer to a marzen/Oktoberfest base?
     
  28. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

  29. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,053) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    The closest generally accepted German "style" for the traditional base beer would be Lagerbier.
     
  30. rgordon

    rgordon Champion (825) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Smoked schwarzbier sounds great, but when I'm in a dark smoky mood, I dig out an Aecht Schlenkerla Urbock.
     
  31. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    I forgot about that one. I did like that beer a lot
     
  32. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (135) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    Thirsty Dog Rail Dog is exactly what you are asking for, and it is damn good. Best smoked beer you buy for less than $10/6 pack
     
  33. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (541) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    It's possible that they just kilned the barley. /thread
     
  34. jbertsch

    jbertsch Meyvn (1,079) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts

    Trapp in VT has a schwarzbier with a nice smokey essence, called Trosten Bier. Unfortunately you have to go there to get it, and it's seasonal :slight_frown:
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22512/63797

    I actually don't care for Jack's Abby's smokey schwarzbier, but I'm in the minority on that.
     
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