So...is it skunked?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BethanyB, Jun 29, 2013.

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  1. BethanyB

    BethanyB Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2013 New York

    I've been a beer enthusiast for the past I-don't-know-how-many-years, but I only just started getting interested in home brewing, really learning all the "ins and outs" and working towards becoming a beer judge about six months ago. The amount I've learned has opened an enormous new world to me. It has taught me so much, that I now realize I didn't know nothin' about beer until now!

    Lately, I've been working on expanding my palette by buying single bottles of beer styles I've never had before. I just tried my first Maibock, a Hofbrau Maibock. Obviously, it was imported. Also, it was in a green bottle. I didn't think anything of this, but maybe I should have. When I took a whiff, the first thing I thought was, "skunked!" But then I began to wonder...was I just not used to the style?

    I read some reviews of this maibock here on Beer Advocate, and no one mentioned any off-characters about the beer. Toasty malt, caramel, hops, blah blah blah, these were the only aromas mentioned. I'm critical by nature (so to speak), so my reviews aren't always closely aligned with those of the majority. I do know, however, I can still easily sense the same basic tastes, aromas, etc. others describe. I feel pretty confident that if this beer isn't one that people normally describe as having any sort of off-putting aroma or taste, that I do indeed have a bad bottle. But could I still be that much of a newbie to really have no idea?

    Has anyone else had a similar experience where they thought they had a skunked beer but then later found out they just weren't used to the particular style? How "green" do you have to be to have such an experience?

    Disappointed that I didn't get to "really" taste a Maibock. But happy that I could possibly now know enough to be able to detect qualities that shouldn't be there.
     
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    When you say skunked, do you mean 'smells like a skunk' or do you mean something else?
     
  3. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    When n=1, significance = 0. Skunked or not, if you've only had one maibock, you effectively have nothing to base any conclusions upon. You may have picked up skunkiness, or maybe maibocks just taste differently than you are expecting them to taste. And of course you might expect a skunkiness to be more likely given the green bottle and the trans-atlantic shipping, but again, n=1. Various European beers make it to the US in green bottles and aren't skunked, aren't old, and taste fine. All that being said...

    Did you check for a bottling date or freshness date? You could of course be right about the skunk in the bottle, but you need more data points. Perhaps pick up another bottle from a different store or the same store. Perhaps search for another maibock that's sold in your area (there are a few made in the US, it's just not a super common style). Perhaps try another green bottle import from the same store and see if the same flavor is there. To me, the discovery process of beer is one of the main enjoyments I get out of it.

    If you want to be a judge, asking questions, engaging in dialogue, and just generally thinking about the subject (like you are here) is certainly moving you in that direction. Good luck man!
     
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  4. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I love this. I should paint it above my desk at work or something.

    Also, OP, good luck with your BCJP-ing!
     
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  5. BethanyB

    BethanyB Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2013 New York

    Thanks, this is certainly helpful! I didn't have any expectations of it having a skunky aroma or flavor due to it being in a green bottle or being imported, but I certainly appreciate the "when n=1 significance =0" point, and will look for another maibock and also another imported beer in a green bottle from the same store to try!
     
  6. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    No beer should smell or taste like skunk. It's an unmistakable characteristic and it's always a flaw.

    I had a Saison DuPont a few years ago that was skunked. I'm now very careful to select a bottle from the back of the shelf (it's darker there).

    Regarding similar experiences and conclusions, years and years ago, maybe 40, I bought a six pack of Molson Canadian (clear bottles) for a party because it was reputed to be an excellent beer (lousy selection in the 70s). It smelled and tasted like skunk. Since this was an 'excellent' beer, I concluded that skunk was a desirable characteristic in beer. I later bought a quart bottle of Ballantine Ale (clear bottle). I think it cost 39 cents. It smelled like freaking road kill! This must not be merely good, it must be an awesome beer! I concluded, that very evening, that I didn't like awesome beer.

    I've learned much in the ensuing 40 years.:grinning:
     
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  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California




    When you're judging all you get is an n=1 (Unless its mini-BOS (2)), so significance = infinity.
     
  8. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    This. It's not like diactyl that is acceptable in low levels in certain styles.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    A judge will have an internal reference built up from repeated past sampling of the style of beer being judged. In addition the judge will typically have experience with specific past examples of off-flavors, including skunked beer. So the two situations are not comparable.
     
  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    To resolve all doubts about "skunked" buy two green bottles that you take directly from an unopened case so you know they have not been exposed to light. (e.g., Yuengling Lager should be easy and inexpensive near where yo live.) Protect them from light until home. Put one in the fridge and let the other sit in direct sunlight for an hour and then refrigerate until both are the same temp, etc. Remove both from the fridge, wait 15 min. And then open both side by side. You'll know at that moment what a skunked beer is like and which of the two bottles you'll want to sample. From each bottle, pour about an inch of beer in one of two clean glasses. Taste test each. You'll then know what to expect from a skunked beer vs. a non-skunked beer in the same style.
     
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  11. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    Not so. If the beer is packaged in clear or green glass, the brewer intends it to be skunked.
     
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  12. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Thanks now I spit my coffee.
     
  13. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    I'm probably one of the very few people that actually likes the taste of a skunked Euro Pale Lager (I know, I know).
     
  14. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    I'm not trying to be snarky, but if you can't identify whether a beer is skunked or not, you're not ready to judge beers.

    You might put beers of different styles out in the sun in clear glasses and sample them to familiarize yourself with the skunked taste.
     
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  15. infuturity83

    infuturity83 Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 Massachusetts

    ^ I was going to say this as well. Some brewers, particularly those in the Netherlands and Denmark intentionally expose their beer to UV before bottling even takes place. As odd as it seems, in some styles (particularly Euro pale lagers), this has become a desired characteristic.


    Also, from http://beeradvocate.com/articles/527
    That being said....I've never had a skunky Maibock. It was probably old.
     
  16. s_wit

    s_wit Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2012 Wisconsin

    I don't understand why any brewery would put beer in anything other than amber bottles. Beer has been known to be light sensitive (UV specifically). I work in a pharmaceutical lab and any pharmaceutical that is light sensitive goes in amber glassware because it does the best blocking out UV light (I'd say about half the pharmaceuticals I work with are UV light sensitive). All beer should go in amber glasses because of this and I'm surprised that some still don't. Now amber glass does not completely filter out UV light, but it does significantly better than green and increasingly better than clear.

    EDIT: I forgot... if the intent is to degrade the beer a little, some breweries have done green and then degraded it. You can also store the bottles protected from light, but once it goes to the store or consumer, anything goes. Most lights give off UV light too!
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    What does skunk smell like? It's like asking someone what BO smells like, when you pass a guy who has the dreaded BO you'll know. Skunked beer smells like cabbage to me, and it stinks up a room if it's bad enough. Smell it once and for the first time you'll have no doubt. The worst offenders are German beers imported in green bottles left impossibly long on the shelf I suppose. I popped open a St Pauli Girl years ago, and the whole room smelled like cabbage, it wasn't just tainted that brew was a step beyond raunchy.
     
  18. Blueribbon666

    Blueribbon666 Pooh-Bah (1,669) Jul 4, 2008 Ohio
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    The king of the skunks...though better in draft form
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    Pepe Le Pew's all time macro fave...
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    And yet somehow the skunk is M.I.A. here...
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  19. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If brewers intentionally skunk their beer, how come it doesn't smell of skunk when it comes from the keg?
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Everything above being already said, I won't add to that, but I hope that you find a Maibock that is not flawed in some way. I think it's one of the best-tasting styles available, and I wish they were easier to find.
     
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