So now that Beer Trading threadshitting is back in full-effect ...

the definition of Braggot is fairly loose, but I would argue most tend to be more beer like, with them being a blend of beer and mead. Typically they are carbonated and have all of the ingredients of beer. Yes a braggot can be purely a mead with a little specialty malts but no hops, and even served still. But I think those are outliers to the norm.

 

Um, not to start a fight, but recent evidence from a 'bad trader' who skipped out on a few BIF boxes illustrated that certainly some people here are not actually over 21.

Not particularly familiar with how 'the internet' works but is moderating a full-time gig? Or is it just something that requires action when other 'self policing' measures pick out something? In other words, without knowing exactly how the system works, couldn't you just allow for the OP to make a call within their own thread if something is threadshitting - flag it - and then allow the moderator to make a decision based on that flag....or does the moderator have to be reading through all the replies and making those calls themselves?

I would say that some of this could be stopped if people were allowed to choose if threads they started could be commented in. Folks who know they have thinner skins, or are posting ISO:FT a brew that is currently trending w/ the TS, or don't want to feed the trolls could select to have their thread be post only. People who have a more fluid offer (ISO 20 things FT 10 things) could leave it open so it could be updated, questions could be asked about specific bottles, etc.

 

I only recently became active on BA(started after the forums switched over) and I have to say as a newbie, the best tool to learn about trading is to view some of these comments explaining(or some of the mild threadshitting) that a trade is not fair/not likely to get done. I'm a quick learner, but without those, I would have had a hard time seeing what my Hunahpu bottles would have traded "fairly" for. I know that's all subjective, but it's good to be able to see what can and does realistically get done.

With that said, there are some posts that are blatantly useless to anyone who's not a troll and I think those are the ones getting reported and warnings/timeouts seem to be working, as stated.

As for the post count minimum, I say yes. I still haven't ever put up an ISO:FT, but have done trades by BMing people and those people have really helped me get into this addiction.

Perhaps a more blatant "consequence system layout" could be included in the Beer Trading Rules & FAQ to make it clear enough for

 

I had an idea that could cut back on accusations of bias by the mods. Assuming there are a few mods throughout the country, then when one of them takes action (deletes or warns) the message comes from a generic moderator account. That way the user in trouble has no idea if there was bias (shouldn't be no matter what) or if the person actually lives in their region. However, whenever a mod takes action, that information can be tracked backed to him/her by the admin.

 

There are two things I think could help.

Either:

Give people the ability to lock their own threads much like they can do with conversations. This would let people choose if they want replies.

Or

Split ISO/FT into two forums, 1 with discussions and 1 without.

I also think there need to be more defined rules as to what constitutes "threadshitting". I've gotten a warning for posting that a trade may be hard to get done just because of bottle count. I detailed the bottle count. And then I said it was a good offer a long as he could find someone with a bottle.

Some people think any reply in a post is threadshitting. In my opinion the only things which really are bad are either personal attacks, ie telling someone they are stupid for offering up a certain trade. Or baseless/explanation-less posts like:

"this won't get done"

But I think it's acceptable to say:

"you may want to consider expanding because blah blah blah."

If you can explain why (reasonably) I don't think it really falls under threadshitting. Especially if users can lock their own threads.

 

From the sound of things, both of these options would require significant changes in the forum code, which is something they're not looking at doing right now.

 

Fair enough, but seems like we need an 90's version of Angelina Jolie

I assume the people you choose will be responsible, but that doesn't change the drama brought on by others

 

Huh, never mind then.

 

I think it should go back to a "no-post rule." Even though the threadshitting has gotten better, just like everything else over time it will go right back to how it was. Especially with the sense of hoarding that seems to have taken over; it's peole wanting the moon and stars for a beer and others come out to bitch about how it isn't fair, ect...
(I'm not saying anyone's wrong with this, it's their beer, it's their prerogative.)
There is a sub-forum of the trading forums (beer trading general/help) that, 90% of the time, can answer any questions noobs or anyone in general has.

 

I really disagree with going back to the no post rule. It doesn't really matter, anyway. I've read 2 threads today in which BCS Rare owners have emailed a poster to tell him/her there's no chance he/she is getting a Rare with the existing offer. People are just taking their hoarding/overvaluing to conversation, and it makes everything even worse.

Everyone worries about the n00bs who don't know any better, but the 'haves' need to be called out more information for giving bad advice.

 

I like this idea. As previously mentioned, threadshitting is very subjective. I can understand funny pictures or certain comments upsetting the TS but the same must go for ridiculous trades. The subforum for general trade questions should be the place to go for new members/traders when they have questions before starting a ISO/FT. Having to scroll through page after page of new threads makes it easy to miss the trade you are looking for and forces more reposts.

I would also love to see bidding (what are you offering?) type threads get axed. The more specific the better.

 

then this could be a pretty good idea. if you post something FT/ISO and you dont want comments, lock it yourself.

 

That would be horrible for so many reasons, probably the most apparent reason being that any controversial minority opinion could be reported away. Mob rule is clearly not the way to go with moderation. Simplicity and transparency are the way to go. Add a couple mods, and let them make decisions based on a clear and concise list of rules for the site.

 

I like this idea, that way i could be FT: the infected years of rare beers, but no one can warn the potential traders and i WIN!

FT: 2009 Abyss & Barrel Aged Yeti.

 

cynical much?

 

How many mods are you guys looking into? Do you guys want enough so that a few people are modding at every possible second?

 

Thanks for the nod, I think I *could* do it but I have drifted into banality and frivolity from time to time so I can understand reservations. On the plus side, I have a LOT of trade experience and a pretty good understanding of the community, and most all of my nonsense has been confined to outside the ISO/FT forums.

I gotta say I like Todd's idea of having a non-trader as a mod, though. I mean someone's gonna have an issue with whoever it ends up being, but there is a conflict of interest of sorts if a mod is trading too.

 

-I like the idea of some sort of checks and balances for non-Bros mods- one flag another make a decision.

-What about someone who isnt an "active" trader but still is active- ie. participate in BIFs/LIFs etc but dont actually trade in the ISO/FT forums. Prob more established traders who have a pretty good number of trading partners. (I see where this can be difficult but have a great idea of how the forum works.) I bet there are some.

-Like the idea of being able to close a thread once trades are complete or getting shit on. They could close it, report it and re-start a new thread once the shitter is dealt with or face harassment bans if it restarts.

-Set up 2 threads one for "noobs" and one for "established" traders once they are a noob for 2 weeks/3 postings or whatever. Then once that time period ends they graduate to the next thread.

Just some ideas.