Something wrong with Furious Cans?

But, where would the carbonation go in a forced carb bottle? Doesn't seem to make sense.

 

Couple problems there - one, very few breweries actually fully bottle condition their beers, which is to say, send beer with under about 2 volumes of CO2 into bottles with yeast and primings. Most carbonate in bright tanks (whether via spunding or forced carb) to about 2.25-2.3 volumes, and then rely on the yeast to add a bit more finishing sparkle. Additionally, when you're bottle conditioning at the larger scale, there's almost always fresh yeast going into the package. A contamination would not make the yeast go dormant quickly enough that they won't carbonate the beer. It only takes about .05% sugar to carbonate, so that'd either have to be an extremely alcoholic or extremely low pH situation. Finally, Surly doesn't "can condition" - the beer is ready to drink when it comes off of the packaging line.

That's actually not an explanation, it's an example. The situation you've presented is that gas is somehow escaping the package, which would mean that the package is leaking, which is not an issue of contamination, it's an issue of failed packaging. I still don't know how you think that a contamination can decrease the amount of carbonation in a packaged product.

 

It seems clear from the Abrasive thread that Surly is/was having some problems at the startup of their new canning line - and I think they stated as much in that thread. So, perhaps some cans weren't properly sealed, and weren't airtight, but rather were only sealed watertight (or close enough to it that some evaporated beer residue closed up any small leak. Don't know if that's the case, but it would explained spoiled and/or under carbonated cans.

I've also seen the plastic 4 & 6 pack rings slice cans, but (at least with Abrasive, not sure about Furious) Surly's rings are in the middle on the can, so even a small cut should be more obvious than rings up at the top of the can..

 

Honestly, I couldn't give a crap about the exact science. Years ago there were also infected Brandy barrel aged Angel Shares that were infected and under carbonated (note: the person who's post I was originally quoting said "a little flat" and that is all I was saying). My whole point has nothing at all to do with the Surly cans specifically, but that Morimech said that it was "hardly 'infected' by that description," when that description of sour flavors in an IPA (if you even want to call Furious an IPA), would seem to be an obvious descriptor for an infected beer. I am not addressing Furious in that statement and I am not addressing canning in that statement and I am not addressing Henry's Law in that statement, I am just saying that the descriptors that SM used for what he tasted in the beer would seem to indicate infection, versus Morimech's statement that these descriptors hardly sounded like an infected beer.

 

Agreed, which is why I said it couldn't be the cause of this (since Furious is force carbonated), but that it could be in some situations. I'm pretty sure I've heard of it happening once or twice to commercial beers but can't remember when. It's certainly more prevalent in homebrewing where a lot of people completely bottle condition. I know I've seen it a time or two there.

 

Here's a thought:

[email protected]

Cause you know, those are the folks that could actually DO something about bad beer found.

 

Thread snark level: Yellow.
Let's all have a beer and try to be helpful, mmmkay?

 

If Mark @ Sporty's has given the sign-off on Abrasive, that's the only reassurance I need.

 

If you had bothered to read the title of the thread, you would have noticed that this was for Furious, not Abrasive. And not carbonation issues that were happening with Abrasive. But your point was just to be a dick so.... yeah.

 

Nah, snark level Red now. Definitely what we need around here, more snark.

 

Sheesh, the sense of humor police are in full force today.

 

There's humor, and then there's dogpiling.

 

Title changed, lets take it easy ,maybe snark level back to yellow please.

 

The snark meter appears to be functioning normally, but it appears the sarcasm detector is broken...

 

It's frustrating when the element of "Surly Nation" who thinks no wrong can be done comes to chime in and belittle people.

Surly Eight infection(?)
Abrasive flat(?)
Bad batch of Furious(?)

It's growing pains with the new brewery. Or it's not, and we're all just too inexperienced to really understand the issue.

 

yeah, but Sporty's didn't really help his street cred here.

 

Why? Because Sporty's isn't capable of serving Furious? It takes some kind of super street cred to taste when Furious doesn't taste right?