Sour-ness Disappeared: Why? How?

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  1. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
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    So.. my NB Petite Saison came out way sour, to the point of giving me heartburn every time I had a few sips or so. Thus, I sorta gave up on it, and just let it sit in the bottle (in the cellar) for a few weeks. I decided to drink one recently, and now it's not sour! I have no idea where the sour-ness went.

    Fwiw, I bottle-conditioned for 5-6 weeks (three times longer than "recommended"), so I didn't think it was green when I went to drink it initially. But now I'm wondering if that might have been the case? I just assumed the sour taste was some sort of infection, that wouldn't get better (and might get worse) with time.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    This makes me think of acetaldehyde, which can make a beer seem cidery but can be consumed by yeast. But I feel like we already suggeste and dismissed this idea in an earlier thread about this beer? On the other hand, you only say you found one beer that isn't sour, so it may be early to jump to conclusions.
     
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    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Yeah, I've posted about this beer before :flushed:. I don't think I remembered the "cidery" though, but that would describe the sour - very green apple-y.

    And no, I've had about 10 or so at this point that aren't sour - so it seems they've changed! :wink:
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    In that case, I'm going with acetaldehyde as the new hypothesis. However, you are the first person I know to complain about heartburn that is (hypothetically) related to acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde can be a consequence of bottling too soon, before the yeast have had a chance to clean up after themselves. Eventually, whatever yeast that get transferred to secondary fermenters or bottles can take care of it, but ideally, you let them take care of things before transferring. One caveat - there are bacteria that will produce this compound too, so if you have a persistent problem, with cidery-ness increasing with time, it could mean infection. But with 10 or so good beers, you might be in the clear. Pat yourself on the back and enjoy your homebrew!
     
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    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Thanks! :slight_smile:

    Yeah, that's what's so puzzling, as I definitely did't bottle too soon. (In fact, I was a little late in doing so.) I suppose that why I've been posting about it - as I just can't seem to figure out what the problem was!

    Anyway, thanks for all the feedback!!
     
  6. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    I'm not sure what causes it, but I have had fairly bad heartburn from some beers as well. The reason I'm chiming in on this is because a recent beer that I made (an IPA) had an apple flavor to it that I would describe as "cidery." The beer is still on tap, and I had some over the weekend. The cidery flavors have fallen out a lot, and now it tastes like a good (very bitter) IPA. At first I just thought the cidery flavors were from the bittering hops (Admiral), but what has been described here is indicative of my batch as well. (Note: this was the first and only time I have used Admiral hops)
    This batch did ferment a bit higher than normal (low 70's), which I assume would contribute to high acetaldehyde levels.
    Anyway, I will likely do a bit of research about heartburn from beer, because I'm growing more curious as I write this, so you will probably see a new thread about it soon.
     
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