Sour - Too old?

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  1. Fixer234

    Fixer234 Aspirant (220) Apr 3, 2014 Oregon

    I've got two separate 5 gallon carboys of sours that I brewed in February and March of 2013 still in the back of my closet. One has been on peaches for a little over a year. The airlocks have never gone dry, and both still smell and taste pretty damn good. Any worry of problems with them or should I just go ahead and bottle. I'm assuming i'll need to add a bit of yeast to both to get them to carbonate properly, any other things to consider? I meant to get them bottled ages ago, but time just got away from me.
     
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  2. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I would say as long as there is no mold or anything like that you should be fine. You will def need to add some yeast at bottling. Cheers and I hope its fantastic
     
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  3. Fixer234

    Fixer234 Aspirant (220) Apr 3, 2014 Oregon

    Thanks for the response. I figured it would be fine, but wanted to check just in case, especially the one on fruit. I've used champagne yeast for this before, i'll probably do that again. No sign of mold or anything funny other than the pellicle that came on fairly quickly and and looks about the same at this point. I'll give an update once I get my first taste in a month or two.
     
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  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Definitely too old. Send it to me for proper disposal :wink:
     
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  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

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  6. WildMontana

    WildMontana Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2018 Montana

    Particulars to consider when trying to carbonate a sour beer that is that old include really low levels of CO2 in solution (compared to a beer that's only a month or so old) and the ability of whatever yeast you intend to pitch in what is likely a low pH beer. Everyone's favorite piece of information on re-yeasting and bottle conditioning sour beer is a paper by Dr. Matthew Bochman in the journal Food Microbiology; essentially, they conclude the best way to ensure healthy refermentation is to pre-adapt your yeast to the acidic conditions by growing them for ~24 h in a 1:1 mixture of the given sour beer and YPD (yeast peptone dextrose, a lab growth media--using a 1.020 malt extract starter would be fine) and then cold crashing and using that yeast for bottling. Ensures the yeast will be able to handle the low pH environment.
     
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  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Terminal acid shock is certainly a good thing to take into consideration when reyeasting. It is covered in the link that I provided above, but here's a little article about it as well.

    http://archive.news.indiana.edu/releases/iu/2016/03/sour-craft-beer-study.shtml
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Since the idea is to pre adapt the yeast to conditions they'll see in the sour beer to be carbonated (i.e. low pH and dextrose as the food), why would a 1.020 malt extract starter be a good substitute for YPD? The two are not really similar at all. The sugars in Malt extract are mostly not dextrose. The sugar in YPD is 100% dextrose. Disclaimer: I haven't read the paper, but I'm guessing there's a reason the guy specified YPD rather than some maltose rich medium.
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Because dextrose is the most commonly used priming sugar for bottle conditioning.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Of course. But not having read the paper, I wasn't going to put words into the author's mouth.
     
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