Sours question...

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AlienSwineFlu, Apr 12, 2014.

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  1. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    Why do so few breweries make sours? What is it about the brewing process? Also, why are sours never sold in more economically-friendly formats? I've never seen a 4-pack of sour beers, but I feel like if that existed, it would be a regular purchase for me.

    Are they expensive to make? Difficult? What gives?
     
  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Not to exagerate too much, a conventional ale can be brewed and sold withing 30 days to 3 months. A conventional lager can be brewed and sold within 60 days to 6 months. A conventional sour can be brewed and sold within 1-3 years.

    How many businesses do you know who can spend 1-3 years making their product without any income?
     
  3. ColdOne

    ColdOne Maven (1,346) Jan 19, 2013 New York
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    Good point on the economics of it, @drtth.

    Is there an additional issue in breweries being afraid of contamination? Bringing wild yeasts, etc, into their brewery seems like it might be a scary thing. Wagner Valley Brewing here in the Finger Lakes has had off and on over carbonation issues, seemingly from cross-contamination issues (being that they're predominantly a winery). If that's a real issue, I can understand why some brewers (and especially some owners) would be reluctant.
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yes some are afraid of contamination as well. In the Russian River blog, Vinnie Cilurzo talks about how when he first started experimenting with Barrels and Brett, local wine makers, for example, refused to even set foot in his barrel room for fear of taking Brett back to their wineries. (In wine it’s a definite loser apparently.) Its also not unheard of for US breweries who use Brett in beers to have two completely separate brewing facilities, one for their regular ales/lagers and one for their Brett based beers. In Belgium, places like Cantillon do only spontaneously feremented beers so they need only one brwery to do what they do. But their gueuze still requires that about 1/3 of the lambic used sits in their barrel room for 3 years.
     
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  5. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    there are several sours in 4-pks
    Duchesse
    Cuvee des Jacobins
    Rodenbach Grand Cru
     
  6. beernuts

    beernuts Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2014 Virginia

    Souring a beer is a very long and unpredictable process, very high risk.
     
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  7. marleyr

    marleyr Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2014 South Carolina

    Monk's Cafe, Duchesse De Bourgogne and Petrus Aged Red are in 4-packs.
     
  8. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Not all sour beers require 1 to 3 years or done in a barrel.
     
  9. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    And good luck with making those regular purchases, unless you're made of money
     
  10. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    really? i buy them from time to time if you want a sour these are available easily in the format the OP was looking for
     
  11. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Texas

    Grand Cru in 4 packs? How much?
     
  12. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    mY hometown brewry used to make a sour . Ithaca's Le Bleu. On this coming wednesday they will release Luminous Golden Wild ale another sour. I will be there. I will report back here. I don't knwo how much it's going to cost but let's find out anyway =)
     
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