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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Another thought on hops. Look at the Averagely Perfect American IPA recipe in the recipe database and hop similarly. I seem to recall that uses simcoe, centennial, Columbus, and cascade. Use sugar, about a pound, to boost the gravity to about the same level as that recipe. It is a decidedly old school west coast type of IPA
     
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  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    @pweis909 befor I knew what diacetyl was I tossed 7 batches all due to that yeast. Absolutely un drinkable. s-05 or notty for me!
     
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  3. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    @Hop-Droppen-Roll you'll notice our opinions are all over the board on crystal malts. Some think an ounce will ruin your beer, but most think they are fine, and sometimes complimentary, but you need to use restraint in how much you use.

    If you are going the Munich malt route, you probably have access to Munich LME. That is the easiest way to go. If you want to use Munich malt grain, however, it is a base malt and cannot be steeped like crystal. It can be steeped, but you must maintain a constant temperature (around 155) and a minimum length of time (around 30 minutes).
     
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  4. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Step 1 throw out Bry97
     
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  5. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I would steep as much Vienna as you can, use all the lme add all the simcoe at flame out and Dryhop with 2 oz citra and 2 oz simcoe. And us5 yeast is my dry preferred dry yeast
     
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  6. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Agree completely - don't go crazy with crystal on an IPA. We are talking 3% or so for depth of flavor. (Assuming a light crystal C20/C40).

    OP - If you follow the process above for "steeping" Munich, you are really mini-mashing, which is a nice step up from extract brewing.

    If you want to stay extract + grain, consider CaraMunich or CaraVienne which can be steeped.
     
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  7. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Yeah, honestly from the get go on this, my plan was to figure out which/how much additional LME I wanted to add, as well as what kind of steeping grains I should get. Not because I knew the science, but because what little experience I have had with brewing IPAs has taught me that that's what I like.
     
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  8. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    So it was never 'should I add steeping grains, or more LME' - the question has been which one of each, and why.

    I have certainly learned a lot about steeping grains in the last couple days. When they come in the kit they are always labeled 'specialty grains' - are all specialty/steeping grains Crystal?
     
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  9. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Was starting to formulate a plan of adding Munich LME plus a steeping grain - just because that's the kind of process our favorite kits have had. If you read my above comments you'll see that I've likely had a skewed perception of what steeping grains are, and I now have more questions than answers.

    Based on what I've read this morning, It seems adding a few pounds of munich, as well as steeping some caravienna might be a good way to go... thoughts? Would I be going too dark and heavy adding the caravienna steep?
     
    #49 Hop-Droppen-Roll, Apr 28, 2017
  10. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    No your roasted (ie chocolate) malts are also steepable.
     
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  11. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Here is a quick workup

    5 Gallons

    6lb Pilsen LME
    3lb Munich DME
    8oz CaraVienne

    US-05

    = ABV 7.27%
    SRM 6.84

    So you wouldn't be too dark at all.
     
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  12. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    honestly, color isn't really a concern for me, guess I'm not sure why I phrased it like that. This looks good though, thanks!
    I see. All this talk about steeping crystal grains vs mini-mashing other grains, I was starting to think crystal/specialty/steeping grains were all different terms for the same thing.
     
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  13. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    As long as you know each grain mashed or steeped will give a separate color,taste ,scent, mouth feel and abv addition to your beer.
     
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  15. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

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    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

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  18. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    L stands for Lovibond. Its a rating of how dark the malt is. You are likely buying a pound unless otherwise noted.
     
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  19. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

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  20. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    My bad I've always brewed all grain didn't realize you can't minimash Vienna. Real shame Vienna and pils is a Mach made in heaven
     
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