Sparge Acid Addition Mistake

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  1. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    To my sparge water, I accidentally added 12 mL of lactic acid instead of phosphoric. What do you think this will do to my beer? My entire volume is in the boil kettle already....
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    (88%) Lactic Acid is a lot more potent than (10%) Phosphoric, so your wort pH is going to be lower. How much lower depends on what else is in your wort. Have you tasted it and/or measured the pH?
     
  3. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It tastes like sweet wort, no trace of lactic acid at all. I don't have a pH meter; have strips, but haven't used them in years as I think they are useless.
    This is for a helles bock, so I've put some time and money into the starter already. I'd probably rather re-brew the wort than risk it. What do you think?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say if it tastes good, don't sweat it.
     
  5. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My grist was:

    73% Pilsner
    22% Munich
    2.5% C10
    2.5% Carapils

    The mash pH was 5.3. The sparge water pH was ~7.1 before additions.
     
  6. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,819) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    The Mesopotamians made beer from left over cereal gruel, stagnant water, and whatever microbe happened to drift by . . . must have turned out okay because they kept at it. I say don't sweat a few pH points . . . let'er ride.
     
  7. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    How do you know mash pH was 5.3?
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,264) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Finally, someone who's measuring their pH. Most professional breweries don't and it's incredibly important!!!
     
  9. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I actually don't know for certain. I am relying on BrewCipher (thanks VikeMan).
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You should thank utahbeerdude instead. The water chem models in BrewCipher are his. I was fortunate that he was willing to build and share them.
     
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  11. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I knew about that and forgot by accident. Thanks to utahbeerdude as well.
     
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  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Also, if his recipe is already in BrewCipher (I think it is), he could just adjust the desired sparge water pH input until it calls for 12 ml of lactic acid.
     
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  14. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I really have to ween myself off of beersmith 2 and start fully exploring BrewCipher.
     
  15. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    Your starting pH doesn't really have anything to do with your final pH and acid additions, its carbonates that matter.
     
  16. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I am going to go out on a limb and say that the beer will have a much lower final pH and you will taste it in the final product. Pre fermentation it will be hard to judge against all that sugar. Post is another story. I accidentally added 9ml (instead of 0.9) of Lactic Acid to my sparge on a 15 gallon batch and my Imperial Red IPA was tart when cold. As it warmed up the tartness faded quite a bit, but when cold you could tell.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A quick thought...if it turns out tart post-fermentation, maybe secondary on cherries or raspberries and make a pseudo-sour fruit beer out of it. I think that might work well with a tart-ish Helles Bock base.
     
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  18. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    It all depends on his water profile though. I routinely add about 6-7ml of lactic acid to my sparge water for a 5 gallon batch because my water is high in carbonates. I need the acidity just to get though the buffering in my water.
     
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  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,540) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Very true. Didn't consider that aspect of it. The water here is super close to RO to begin with, so there is nothing in the water here to buffer the acid addition I added.
     
  20. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I did this yesterday and it was something like 2.2 for the starting point of the pH of the sparge water.
     
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