Spitters for bitters

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by mudbug, Aug 17, 2015.

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  1. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Does anyone know of a beer that is bittered (as in a bittering agent in the boil) with sour /bitter apples?
    Every thing I come up with is a cider hybrid using sweet apples or a sweet malternative fake beer. Web searches have sent me down paths that find even cider makers have a hard time acquiring these old time wild apples called "Spitters" (Think Jonny Appleseed). another thread I found in a homebrew forum mentioned the tannins in apples might be a problem. I'm realizing that what I don't know about this subject is huge. But if anyone out there is brewing something like this I'd be interested.
     
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  2. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I have nothing of worth to contribute to this conversation, but that is a great idea.
     
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  3. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    You are obviously in the majority, seems it's a black hole of information. Cheers!
     
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  4. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Yeah. This thread is as empty as my glass.
     
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  5. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    You mean as an alternative to hops? Is there a reason this would be desirable? Seems like a really left-field question, but there has to be a reason you ask...
     
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  6. SixThousandDollars

    SixThousandDollars Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2012 Florida

    Upland has a sour in production right now being aged on mayhaw. Not exactly a crab apple, but pretty close.

    "Hopping" with apples probably wouldnt work because of the amount of extra sugar you would be adding.
     
  7. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Yes. as an alternative to the bittering hops. Desirable? Who knows? But my interest is in turn of the century America when Beer was fairly uncommon and cider made from wild apples (apple trees grown from seed, not graft) was the popular drink. Most of those old heirloom orchards were chopped down during prohibition. But some artisinal orchards have been grown since. I would guess (probably wrongly) that the left over skins and pulp from pressing for cider would hold quite a bit of bitter flavor that might work in say an IPA base that is then dry hopped with something else.
     
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  8. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I would certainly be interested in sampling something like this.

    Edit: Maybe you should put in a request with the guys over in the homebrew section!
     
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  9. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    had a Wild Trillium from @papat444 in a trade and to me it tasted like a liquid green apple jolly rancher
     
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  10. papat444

    papat444 Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,961) Dec 28, 2006 Canada (QC)
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    Good thing or bad? lol
     
  11. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    best sour I've had :wink:
     
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  12. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    May sound weird but I've never had a Jolly Rancher. Was there any bitterness?
     
  13. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    jeez I don't remember that clearly but it was a great brew
     
  14. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Just checked the website, doesn't mention apples in Trillium. Hmnnn.
     
  15. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Sounds like Acetaldehyde.
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Perhaps the turn of the 18th century into the 19th that was the case, but beer was very common in 1900 (19th>20th), when the per capita consumption by "adults" (15 and over) of beer was over 23.6 gallons, reaching over 29 gallons in 1915. That's higher than today's rate, usually around 20 gallons.
     
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  17. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Yes, Turn of the century is correct 1700s or there a bouts. Thanks!
     
  18. JCTetreault

    JCTetreault Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2008 Massachusetts

    There's no acetaldehyde in that beer
     
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  19. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    I noticed (from the Saison thread) that @rocdoc1 makes crabapple beer, maybe he could chime in with some first-hand info?
     
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  20. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    My crabapples are very bitter to eat, but it doesn't come across in the beer at all. I use them in lightly hopped Belgians like blondes, saison and brett beers. They give the beer a pleasant apple aroma and flavor, much more subtle than cider, but they don't add bitterness.
     
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