Split batch with specialty malt addition

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  1. BMorin

    BMorin Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Canada (QC)

    I plan to split a batch to fine tune specialty malt additions for a recipe. I've been iterating a couple of time on this particular recipe but I want to be able to do a side by side without age or other factor coming into play. Would it be possible to steep specialty grains (caramunich and darker caramel malts) after the boil ? If so, at what temperature and for how long should the grain be steeped ? What efficiency should I expect versus my normal mash efficiency ?

    Thanks everyone.
     
  2. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    The problem is that caramel malts still have carbohydrates in need of conversion from the mash (i.e., steeping them produces a wort less fermentable than when they are mashed with enzymatic grains). You could do separate mini-mashes, boil the wort from those separately, and then blend into the fermentors... but that seems like a lot of work. You could steep the specialty malts in the wort-post boil (30 min at 170 F or similar - should be hot enough to kill an bacteria on them if held there) but this won't be fully accurate to what the beer would taste like with the specialty malts in the main mash.
     
  3. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    If you look for shortcuts where you know you can't really take them, you'll get the results to go with it. Splitting a batch's grains mean splitting the boil: you don't add specialty grains after the boil normally, right? Why start now, right when you need both batches to come out well?
     
  4. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    i don't see why you can't add the specialty grains post-boil while the wort is still hot...so you drain off the first x gallons into a fermenter or separate vessel, then steep the grains for the y gallons for like 20 mins then chill both batches. You'll need to take into consideration that you would want to try to cool them simultaneously so two chillers would be ideal because holding the wort hot for different times is a variable that could effect the final product.
    If you're using crystal malts, then you should be fine since they are mostly all soluble sugars and would provide the same points as if thrown in a mash...certain caramel malts as oldsock points out has a lot more starch then crystal malts so that would probably change most notably your fg.
     
  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    True Crystal Malts yes, Caramel Malts not advised. Crystal malts are fully converted to sugar before kilning, cara malts are not. CaraMunich and CaraVienne for sure are still partially uncoverted and will add starch which is undesirable. Why not do a separate steeping of the grains in a sack, then drain and boil separately, put in a mason jar to cool naturally overnight, then add to the fermentor after the brewday is finished on the main batch. No split chills, no what temp works, no risk of not killing the bacteria from a no-boil, no risk of extracting tannins from husks due to steeping to hot, etc.
     
  6. BMorin

    BMorin Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Canada (QC)

    The amount of cara malts is less than 10 %. Would steeping with amylase powder gives me a good aproximation of a mash ? This could be easily done in a small pot than boiled just enough to sterilize. If I do not go for a full boil, would dms be a problem with speciality malts ?

    I do not beleive I am trying to cut corners. What I would like to acheive is have to half batches with every parameter exactly the same except for the addition of some specialty malt in one of the batches. I guess this would be easier if the parameter I was exploring was the yeast or anything else post boil...
     
  7. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Certainly couldn't hurt, should at least get a more accurate reading on their flavor impact (even if the conversion is slightly more or less). I've found that not-boiling wort (how I brew my Berliners) leaves a rawer-doughy flavor that is usually chased away by boiling. Not sure if you'll have similar flavor differences from a short boil of the specialty malts. It may be that some of their aromatics are usually chased away.
     
  8. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Fair enough then, you seem to have a non-unrealistic grasp of the situation. Worth a try tho, eh?
     
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