splitting saison batch

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  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Following the advice of others, I am using yeast as the primary favoring agent (if you will) for my current saison. It's pretty much done, I just need to take another gravity reading to make sure. I was thinking of cold crashing, keging, force carbing (a little on the high side), and filling a bunch of swing top bottles to make room to ferment another batch of Saison. But post boil, I was going to split it into 2 batches, and they will both have different yeasts. So all told, I will have 3 saisons, of the same recipe except the yeast. Good idea? I'm not sure what my LHBS has for yeast, but I'm hoping for WLP 585, and Wyeast 3522 (currently fermenting is Wyeast 3711), but honestly, I'll take whatever I can get.

    Side note: I realize I could just use priming sugar and bottle the current brew, but that would take like 2 weeks or so. And the current batch pretty much hit my expected FG in 8 days.
     
    #1 corbmoster, Jun 26, 2015
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    3522 is a tasty strain, but I wouldn't expect the result to be very saison-like. It's not even in the neighborhood attenuation-wise. And it's flavors are definitely more subtle.
     
    #2 VikeMan, Jun 26, 2015
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  3. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    what would you suggest? 3724 perhapse?
     
    #3 corbmoster, Jun 26, 2015
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Probably. I'm not sure how different that is from WLP585 though. Most charts show them as equivalent, but some people say that they are two different isolates from the four strains that reportedly make up the Dupont yeast. I haven't used 585 by itself, you can't really offer an opinion on that.

    But there's an idea...you could culture from Dupont dregs if you want a third choice.
     
    #4 VikeMan, Jun 26, 2015
  5. Beer_Baron123

    Beer_Baron123 Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2015 Canada (ON)

    If you have access to Yeast Bay yeast, I just did a saison with their Wallonian Farmhouse strain. I wouldn't say the beer is really saison like overall, but it's definitely funky, fruity and a little bit sour. This was my first saison, and with me not being a big fan of the Belgain yeast strains I'm very happy with how this beer turned out.
     
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  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I like 3522. Although others don't think of it as "saison," I don't think I would call you out on this. I guess I'm more of a lumper than a splitter when it comes to Belgian ale. I also like 3724, which most consider the iconic saison yeast. I never had wlp 585 but think I would like it.
     
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  7. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Thanks, I'm not sure it would survive the trip to me Since it's already so hot here in TX. I'll bear that in mind though.
     
    #7 corbmoster, Jun 26, 2015
  8. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Thank you. I got the idea / suggestion form a web site http://www.maltosefalcons.com/tech/guide-saisons-and-saison-yeasts
     
    #8 corbmoster, Jun 26, 2015
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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  10. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I've really gotten into adding white labs brett c at bottling for my saisons that I'm going to age for a bit. Maybe just go with 3724 for the whole batch, bottle half as is, and the other half with some brett and do a comparison a bit down the road.
     
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  11. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    For the record I got 3724, and Danstar Belle Saison dried yeast. Next, I need to look at a calculator and see if I need to make a starter for the 3724 (mfg: April), or do a partial pitch on the Danstar.
     
    #11 corbmoster, Jun 27, 2015
  12. ventura78

    ventura78 Pundit (972) Nov 22, 2003 Massachusetts

    I love using Belle Saison, it eats everything in its path.
     
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  13. Biobrewer

    Biobrewer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2009 California

    Glad to hear the beer turned out well for you! The Wallonian Farmhouse strain is definitely not going to give you the strong citrus esters our Saison Blend yields, but rather will give a more slightly earthy funk and tart character. We're actually making the Saccharomyces portion or our Farmhouse Sour Ale available soon as a product called "Saison Blend II" (original, I know...). It is a good combination of the earthy funk/tartness and citrus esters.

    Cheers!
     
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