St. Bernardus Prior 8 Question

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  1. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    After enjoying a Westmalle dubbel immensely several times in the past, I just tried my first St. Bernardus Prior 8 this evening. I did enjoy it, but based on the review descriptions, I am wondering if my sense of taste is off, or if my bottle was past it's prime, mishandled etc.
    I found it quite dry, very little sweetness at all, which I enjoyed, but instead of the complexities of dark fruits, spice, etc. which so many have reported, I kept getting a rather overpowering taste of smoky, old yeast, reminiscent of Marmite. (The English brewer's yeast extract spread)
    I love Marmite, so this was not unpleasant to me, but it took away from the faint undertones of perhaps prunes, raisins and spice that I could just make out as the beer warmed. (Served in a St. Bernardus Chalice at the recommended 50 or so degrees)

    After drinking, I did notice that my bottle had the date 10.9.13, which I assume is the best by, as I bought it in July! I did not notice the year when I bought it, so perhaps it was just really past it's prime, and/or mishandled in transit.

    Overall, I found it interesting and not bad, but just a bit odd, and certainly not as good as the Westmalle dubbels I have enjoyed. (albeit they were fresher bottles)

    For any Prior 8 enthusiasts out there, is this the normal flavor profile, or should I give it another go at some time with a younger bottle?


    Cheers and thanks!
     
  2. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Love Bernardus 8, 6, 12, Christmas (especially), and am looking forward to trying the tripel as well. Anything that tastes sort of meaty or smoked in this beer should not be there. Could perhaps have been a bad bottle. FWIW, I found the Prior 8 to be much more balanced than Westmalle Dubbel, which I found way too lean, dry, and lacking in any malt intensity, as well as a bit too bitter. To be fair, I'm wondering if I didn't get a mishandled bottle of the Westmalle, as that beer has great reviews, so I'll have to give it another go. In the end, I'd suggest picking up another bottle at some point! Also, if you tried one of the 330 ml bottles, I might pick up the 750, as I've had a few Chimay Blue bottles (small) that tasted kinda funky and not at all like the larger format bottles I was used to.
     
  3. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Funny, I found the Westmalle to be much more balanced, in that the fruity, dark, spiciness was right in harmony with the malty background. The Prior 8 really had this huge yeasty malty thing going on that sort of masked anything else, although not really unpleasant. I do think I should give it another try, especially in a 750 to see if the flavors change. (It was a 330ml bottle I tried) I also had the St. Bernardus Tripel, which I loved, hard to say if I like it or the Westmalle Tripel more, both different, both great!
     
  4. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    Prior 8 is the absolute best dubbel I've ever had. Great dark fruit complexity with light chocolate and biscuit/caramel/nutty malts with a very balanced spicy yeast profile. Bernardus is a 5 year BB date. My current 750 says 6/2016
     
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  5. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania


    Certainly think I need to revisit this one soon, as I had the feelings there was greatness in there, but either my taster is "off" this evening, or my bottle suffered. I can't believe it was a 5 year old bottle I had, as the date clearly was the 10th of September, 2013. I know some people cellar Trappist/Abbey ales for extended periods, but I will search out a fresher bottle and wait until Fall allergy season is over!
     
  6. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    Been years since I had this but definitely don't remember any smoke or meat flavors. Either would be very out of place in an abbey dark ale.
     
  7. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    Speaking of beers I haven't had in ages, and slightly off topic:

    What is the primary difference between the 12 and the Christmas? I seem to recall them being the same price, style and alcoholic strength, but I don't remember anything else about Christmas (apart from that the bottle I split had crazy yeast floaties in it). Is it spiced like other Christmas beers?
     
  8. basscram

    basscram Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2006 Maine

    the christmas tastes like a belgian strong dark ale style. I will also say the bigger bottles that are bottle conditioned do taste and smell much better than their smaller counterparts. The christmas is not spiced up like the winter beers which is a nice change from what you may be used to when trying winter beers. definitely do a side by side of the small and big bottles of the prior 8. I prefer big bottles. much better experience, or if you can get it on tap, do it for sure.
     
  9. YieldToNothing

    YieldToNothing Initiate (0) Mar 13, 2013 New York

    i've found the christmas and abt 12 to be very similar tasting beers. yea, you can tell that there are differences, but i'm too much of a noob to point them out exactly.

    and i know i'm not helping the op here, but i enjoy the pater 6 far more than the prior 8. i'd say that's my least favorite of the st bernardus lineup.
     
  10. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Thanks for all the comments. I also have heard that there is a noticeable difference in the smaller vs. larger bottle sizes in these bottle conditioned abbey ales, with the preference going to the corked 750ml's. Will try the Prior 8 again when I get a chance, but it is a bit hard to find in my area. Yes, that meaty, almost savoury character was interesting, but not what I would expect from a dubbel.
    I want to try the pater 6 and Christmas ale as well, I think St. Bernardus is a great brewery and I won't hold a slightly wierd beer against them! I would rather think it is my inexperienced taste buds than the beer.
    Thanks again.
     
  11. williamjbauer

    williamjbauer Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2012 Colorado

    Do we know why the largers bottles seem to be more consistent?
     
  12. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I would guess - and I'm completely guessing and pulling this out of my nether regions - that it has to do with the larger formats being more resistant to changes in conditions, especially temperature. You're looking at double the liquid, and probable more than double the glass. This size allows it to keep the beer at a more steady temp, and the changes are far slower. THis in turn would probably slow the changes that will inevitably happen in transport.
     
  13. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    Did you decant the beer off the lees or just dump the whole thing in a glass?
     
  14. beerindaglass

    beerindaglass Zealot (645) Feb 20, 2013 Florida
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    There's cases of Christmas gathering dust at one of my bottle shops. I need to pick one up from the sound of it. I really enjoyed ABT 12
     
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  15. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    Do yourself a favor - their Christmas ale is phenomenal.
     
  16. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Good question! I should have specified I was careful to make sure not to agitate the bottle before pouring and carefully decant it. Still were plenty of floaties in the glass despite the care, but I drank the yeasty goodness at the bottom separately.
    Still did not help the overwhelming Marmite-ey, meaty flavor of the beer.
     
  17. shnsajax

    shnsajax Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2013 Idaho

    I can't put my finger on it, but the Christmas Ale does in fact taste like Christmas. Its one of the better beers I have ever had in my life, Holiday or not. Used to be able to gt it year round, but its popularity this past Christmas has created a shortage of it currently. Ready for this next holiday season to start.
     
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  18. Kahless

    Kahless Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Kansas

    I noticed that too and so did friends of mine who bought their bottles in Chicago and Portland, OR. The best by date on mine was the same as yours so I wonder if there was an entire shipment to the US of old bottles that had just been sitting around for years in some warehouse in Belgium.
     
  19. WD_Eisemann

    WD_Eisemann Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Interesting! I bought my bottle from a craft beer place in Lancaster, PA that has only been open since earlier in the Summer, so I don't think they were sitting around there for very long. I will drop in there sometime to see if they have any newer bottles, and see if the Christmas ale is anywhere to be found while I am at it.
     
  20. ItsLaTrappe

    ItsLaTrappe Initiate (0) May 15, 2012 Pennsylvania

    OP, those Hunger N Thirst bottles are likley from Westy's. Belgian beer from Westy's is a crapshoot on age. Cheers, hope to see you there some time.
     
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