"Stainless" steel corrosion

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  1. icepick

    icepick Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2008 California

    so I got some nice stainless ball bearings to weigh down my hop bag when dry hopping a pale I just made and I pulled out the bag after 5 days getting ready to cold crash and I noticed all this black stuff in the bag and the sample I pulled tasted metallic to me so I dumped it. The bearings were all black and not shiny like before. Guess they weren't really stainless. My question is has Anyone ever experienced this and drank the resulting beer? I chose to just dump it cuz I have another beer ready to go and didn't want to risk anything toxic.
     
  2. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Ya, I don't think those were stainless. Too bad you didn't take some good quality pics. Sorry to hear man, that sucks. I know I've heard of people using marbles in the bags to weigh them down. Maybe you might get better results from that. I think it also bears mentioning that stainless steel is not corrosion proof. It's very resistant though. 5 days in some beer shouldn't be an issue for stainless.
     
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  3. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I just remembered sometimes, the amount of nickle in SS varies my manufacturer. This has resulted in alergic like reactions in people that get cheap body jewelry. Did the ball bearing look like this? If so, I'd speculate it was due to either they were not SS, or the nickle content was too high.
     
  4. icepick

    icepick Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2008 California

    It was dark black but none of the blue green stuff
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Ball bearings have a low chromium content, about 1.5%, and have to resist high contact load induced stress, not so much corrosion as bearings usually are sealed. The stainless used for food processing is usually 18/8, or 18% chromium and 8% nickel. The higher chromium levels are what gives the corrosion resistance we need.
     
  6. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You will also see this listed as 304 stainless steel, which is generally good enough quality for kitchen applications (brewing). But as the name states . . . stainless . . . there can be some corrosion, typically maintenance is to keep it clean. A higher grade ss is 316, more nickel gives it more corrosion resistance . . . sometimes referred to as "marine grade". Caveat: There is a large exporting country (begins with C) that often undercuts everyone else's ss prices by "cheating" on these standards.

    For the OP: I've found good old stainless steel hose clamps work well in the hop bag. They are available at any decent hardware store and clean up easily after dh'ing. Other good items for weighting are stainless "couplers" or "barbs" or "washers" which most brewers have laying around. In a pinch you could put a kitchen spoon in your dh bag.
     
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Forgot to put the grade in there. 316 Also is known as surgical stainless, and has some molybdenum.
     
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  8. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Dollar Store aquarium glass rocks or marbles for a cheap bastard like me.
     
  10. 2ellas

    2ellas Maven (1,302) Feb 20, 2014 New Hampshire
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  11. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Not sure which is better.

    I use enough weight to have the hop bag sink a few inches in the keg. Not tied to anything. Soak for 4 days. Temporarily invert the keg once per day (optional and remove co2 connection before doing it). Remove the hops with some tongs. I'm happy with the aroma it produces.

    Some people have the weighted bag secured to the lid so the hops sink 25-50% and don't remove them. Others let the hops sit in the beer for the entire life of the keg. I haven't tried those methods.
     
  12. Wanda

    Wanda Zealot (518) Nov 23, 2006 Tennessee

    Get some glass marbles. Works like a charm. I thoroughly wash and boil mine before putting them in just to make sure there's nothing trying to sneak into my beer.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I use glass marbles; cheap and easy. No need to concern yourself with chromium/nickel content or grade numbers.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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  15. ElmerTLee

    ElmerTLee Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2015 Connecticut

    This happened to me with some 'stainless' steel nuts. I let the beer sit a couple of months, drank some, but the metallic flavor was overwhelming. Down the drain.
     
  16. bevoduz

    bevoduz Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2007 Illinois

    I started using one of these, it's awesome.

    http://www.stainlessbrewing.com/Dry-Hopper-with-twist-cap-_p_155.html
     
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  17. icepick

    icepick Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2008 California

    Very interested In that tube thing. How well does the beer flow through that stainless mesh tube? I have a kettle spider that is similar but the mesh is too fine and after the hop pellets would break up in the boil they would essentially block the flow of the wort and I got a very not bitter ipa from it.
     
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It's 300 micron mesh which is a larger mesh than typical hop bags. Hop bags work fine for me in the keg, but I don't like cleaning or prepping them. I use 300 micron mesh hop baskets in the kettle with good results. No clogging. Good hop utilization.

    I doubt your spider is smaller than 300 micron. Do you know the mesh size of your spider?
     
  19. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    ooh that tube is fancy. I'd love that. I use a rock. a boiled rock, yeah. cavewoman here.
     
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  20. icepick

    icepick Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2008 California

    The hop Spider I have is 300 micron. Between the hops and the small bits of trub from the mash that get into the boil kettle that thing got clogged easily and the wort just wasn't really even boiling inside the spider. Now I just throw the hops in the boil kettle straight and I now use it as a filter on a 3rd kettle I use to fill the wort into after I drain it from the boil kettle. I then fill my fermenter from this 3rd pot.
     
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