Starting a cellar: Advice on what to include

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  1. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    I've been a craft beer drinker for many years but 99% of my drinking were fresh, relatively low ABV, light-colored beers. Only recently have I started drinking and enjoying heavier, darker, and aged beers. As part of my attempt to broaden my horizons, I have started a mini "cellar". It currently features only a handful of bottles (see below) but I plan to add more as I keep learning more about what beers should and shouldn't be aged.

    I know that, as a general rule, beers with high ABV (8%+ ?) and darker beers tend to do well when cellared. With that in mind, I have set aside these beers:

    2016 SN Bigfoot 9.6% (2 bottles)
    Dragon's Milk Bourbon Barrel Stout 11%
    Old Rasputin 9%
    Orval (2 bottles bottled in 2015)

    Regarding the latter, everyone says that Orval is excellent for cellaring, but is this purely because it would give time for Brett to express itself? Because if one was to look at the ABV (6.2%), it's not all that high.

    I have also set aside a few other beers but I'm not too sure if they're meant to be aged.

    Boulevard Sixth Glass Quad (10.5%). This being a dark quad, makes me think that it should be prime cellaring material, but then why does it have a best-by date of 2018? Are these meant to be aged, but for no more than just a few months?

    Deschutes Obsidian Stout (6.4%). I know that imperial stouts are usually good for cellaring but how about stouts with relatively low ABV? Are they good for maturing or should they be drank relatively fresh?

    How about Dubbels? I have an Ommegang Dubbel (8.2%) I was thinking of putting aside but I can't tell whether that's a good idea or not.

    Thank you very much in advance.
     
  2. mich34

    mich34 Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Michigan

    drink them all this week or give them to friends, you know not what will become if you continue down this path but I know you will have cases of beer and much less disposable income if you ignore my warning!

    If you don't listen to my warning - drink it fresh if you haven't yet then play around with it, some cellar well and some don't. If you can't take the thought of pouring out previously great beers that didn't work out so well in the cellar don't start building one. On the other hand, it's fun playing around with beer as a hobby!
     
  3. Oktoberfist

    Oktoberfist Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I've read that any beer other than a double or triple IPA 10% ABV or over is good for aging.
     
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  4. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you want to age something for 5+ years get a bottle or two of dfh world wide stout. They get better with age.
     
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  5. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    You know what? I hear you. I'm also a bit worried that I will get carried away and start obsessing about my cellar and the (expensive) gems that I cant to include in it. But without wanting to bore you too much, I have found a way to get hold of usually pricey beers for cheap and these are the ones that I plan to include in my cellar. Each of the Bigfoots and the Dragon's Milk Stouts were purchased for under $2 (this being Pennsylvania, it makes it even more impressive). I'm thrifty when it comes to beer (with some notable exceptions). It's just for fun and to learn how flavor profiles change over time.
     
  6. moshea

    moshea Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2007 Michigan

    Another BA posted this book a while back, I forget who or what thread, but I bought a digital copy. It is an easy informative read. Some items I already knew, but there was a lot of great new to me information in there as well.


    The book offers examples of what types of beer make good cellar candidates as well as beers within those styles that age well



    Vintage Beer: A Taster's Guide to Brews That Improve over Time Paperback – March 11, 2014
    by Patrick Dawson (Author)
    https://www.amazon.com/Vintage-Beer-Tasters-Guide-Improve/dp/161212156X
     
  7. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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    Can't go wrong with gueuze. For bigger beers - Samiclaus is great with about 10 years on it. Old Stock has a 5 year sweet spot for me. I'm not doing too much cellaring these days due to space limitations, as well as the fact that I've generally haven't had too many "blown away" experiences with cellared beer. There have been some amazing beers I've had, but more misses than hits. I've heard Chimay blue ages very well but haven't had the chance to try a vintage one. Cheers and report back.
     
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  8. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Cellaring will get expensive, just buy more imperial stouts, barleywines, Belgians, and sours than normal it'll build quickly.
     
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  9. brother_rebus

    brother_rebus Pooh-Bah (2,512) Jul 28, 2014 Maine
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    kinda over the "aging" of stouts. Maybe its people doing it wrong, but pretty much anything aged over 2yrs that i've tried has some undesireable quality to it. Loses adjunct flavoring, loses carb, gets ashy/metallic, soy sauce.

    I have just been sticking to belgians, sours, maybe a rare barleywine. Much better turnover for better/neutral with change vs. dud.
     
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  10. eb1610

    eb1610 Savant (1,227) Jan 3, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Maybe read through this cellaring forum for some ideas...
     
  11. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    Got some fresh Samiclaus for cheap in Greece earlier this summer but was too eager to try it so I opened it right away. Should have bought more bottles!

    I will be in Iowa in a few weeks and will try to buy some stuff there to bring home. Toppling Goliath I'm looking at you. Gotta love the prices in IA. And you're right. I started my cellar 2-3 weeks ago and it's already a dozen bottles strong. It becomes an obsession, doesn't it?

    Yikes. Good to know. I'm still new to (and not fully appreciative of) stouts (imperial or not). But given how much my palate has expanded over the last year or so, I'm kinda expecting to be REALLY into stouts in a few months or years, which is another reason why I want to hold onto these cellared stouts.

    Did so (and keep doing so)! So much info in these forums.
     
  12. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Cellaring is definitely addictive, if you're in the Des Moines area let me know if you want to grab a beer or set up a trade.
     
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  13. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    Thanks! I've been all over the east and west side of Iowa but funnily never in Des Moines or other central parts (which is kinda weird because that's where my wife's from). We'll be in the Quad Cities this time since my in-laws live there. But if I ever visit Des Moines in the future, we can definitely set something up.
     
  14. Deedzie7

    Deedzie7 Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2016 Iowa

    Cellaring is highly addictive. When I started my spending on beer exploded. I would say whatever you plan on putting into the cellar, buy two of them. Try it fresh and try it cellared. I don't write notes out on what it tasted like fresh or anything like that. But its interesting. I love stouts and sours. So almost any stout and sour gets thrown into my cellar. I drink one fresh and cellar the others. I don't put "Must be drank in 3 years" on it. I pull the beer out when the time is right. Don't follow the "must do this must do that". Do what you want and you will find out what works for you!
     
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  15. Samlover55

    Samlover55 Pooh-Bah (1,735) Oct 8, 2015 New York
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    i agree with what @Deedzie7 said do what you want.
    another idea to find beers ideal for aging is to look at people's cellars on websites such as CellarHQ or @CyberMonk's The Beer Cellar.
    (for reference here is a link to my cellar on CellarHQ)
    Cheers and Enjoy
     
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  16. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,102) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    All of those beers are good candidates for cellaring. Orval especially because of the brett. Fresh Orval will have a different flavor than Orval at 6 months, and at 1 year, and so on. I've found that after 1 year is when the Brett character really starts to develop and come out. Check out the Orval Tasting thread for some good info:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/mass-online-tasting-orval-trappist-ale.336823/

    Most quads will stay in good shape for a few years if you choose to cellar them. My guess is the brewers at Boulevard have determined that this particular beer will start falling off after 2018 due to oxidation and will not improve past that point.

    Drink it fresh. If you are unsure, why risk it?

    One of the best beers I have ever had was an aged Ommegang Abbey Ale (Dubbel). Buy a few bottles, drink one fresh, then drink the others later on and compare. Ommegang puts a best before date on these bottles (3 years I think?), so follow those dates and you should be fine.
     
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  17. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    As a philosophy, we believe in releasing beers that we feel are ready to drink. Having said that, we do realize that folks are going to age certain styles and are cool with that, because hey, you bought the beer. You can enjoy it how you'd like.

    Our best by dates are based on tasting bottles of our beer as they age in favorable and unfavorable conditions. When we feel the beer is no longer an excellent example of our intentions, we apply a best by date. Does this mean that you may not enjoy a three year old bottle of The Sixth Glass? No, it just simply means that we wouldn't feel comfortable releasing a three year old bottle as an excellent example of what we were going for. Does that help?

    Definitely let me know if you have questions. I'm happy to respond here, via direct message or email at jdanner at boulevard dot com.
     
  18. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    Thanks for the advice. In fact I have been buying 2 bottles (or even more) of most of the listed beers and tried one of them fresh first (partially to be able to compare them later but also because I was impatient).

    These are great tools! Thanks for making me aware of them. And your cellar list looks cool. Especially all the Belgian (including US-Belgian) stuff. Cheers!

    Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it. I'm particularly interested to see how Orval tastes over time (I've only had it once and it was fresh). Will definitely check out the thread on its tasting. And great to hear that you liked Ommegang's Dubbel aged. I will definitely keep it in the cellar then. I've had it fresh a few years back but that was before I could fully appreciate it.


    Boulevard is one of my absolute favorite US breweries so I'm kinda starstruck right now. Thanks for clarifying the "best before" date on your bottles. Your explanation makes perfect sense and I'll sure follow this advice and open that bottle before the date on it. Thanks again and keep up the great work.

    PS: I just enjoyed a nice bottle of The Calling and will soon open a Tank 7, which (as you can tell from my avatar) is my best friend.

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