Starting a tiny Brewpub/Craft Beer Bar

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by OldWade, Sep 25, 2013.

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  1. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    I appreciate that. Will fill you in tomorrow.
     
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  2. mrdomer07

    mrdomer07 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2008 Illinois

    This is a great thread and I have enjoyed the regular updates. I'm not in the place in my life to do something like this, but could definitely see tackling a project like this many years down the road.

    If I am ever in Louisville, I will look up your place and buy a beer from you!
     
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  3. Jgivens

    Jgivens Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2013 Florida

    I'll have to stop through on the way to MI when you get everything open. your place seems to be the type of bar I'd want to go to small, intimate and with a great selection. I think that while you are choosing what you will serve you should definitely look at quality not quantity. That's what I look for.
     
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  4. StarRanger

    StarRanger Crusader (482) Nov 27, 2006 North Dakota

    You mentioned that you will have 6 taps but cooler space for 12, but I did not notice that you mentioned cooler space for storage of kegs? (though it might have been somewhere in this long thread) If you are going to keep kegs after you get them for a later tapping or for a vertical with the next year's version, how many can you store and keep on hand for future use?
     
  5. lowbit

    lowbit Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2013 Wisconsin

    Quick thought: Try to make sure you always have a good range of beers, particularly on the hoppy/malty spectrum, with light/dark a secondary consideration. This may seem obvious, but I'm continually surprised by how many otherwise very good craft beer bars fall down on this, offering (for example) wall-to-wall imperial and double IPAs and nothing else. As my wife and I are both definitely not hop heads, if we run into that more than once at a bar, we usually don't go back.
     
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  6. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    I apologize. I'm a bit confused. I will probably have storage in a separate place. The kegs go back to the distributor after they are run dry.
     
  7. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    My brother(the brewing aficionado) is in charge of this aspect. But I agree. This isn't an exact science but if I get 9 taps I would like something like this(1 tap an import[not Guinness, Stella, etc], 1 tap local beer, 2 taps KY brewers, 2 taps regional, 3 taps national) I would like one tap to have a fruit beer element or something smooth and sweet. Two IPA's. One Wheat. One Lager or Pilsner. One Stout. One Pale Ale. One Imperial. One Porter. I'm really just kinda shooting from the hip here because I have plenty of time to work that out.

    I will be meeting a distributor today to discuss bar layout, taps, storage, beers to carry, etc. This is a great question and if anyone has some more to throw out that would be great. I meet him in 5 hours.

    Thanks
     
  8. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    Somber day today. Some will take glory in this because they pointed out potential problems. All of which I tried to head. But it looks like I'm shut down. Planning and Zoning said I didn't fall into the appropriate criteria. In Old Louisville there is a special zoning called TNZD. WE thought we were fine because there was a precedent there with a previous bar. But that appears to not be the case. The only way I operate is if I go 51% food. And I don't have the money for the setup or any knowledge about it. We are going to fight it with a variance but I don't see us having success. I guess I put the cart before the horse. I really thought we were ok based on previous zoning, the landlords experience, and everyone I talked to downtown. Whelp, I was wrong. You live and you learn. Thanks for everyone's assistance and support in this endeavor. I hope we can pull a rabbit out of the hat on this one.
     
  9. TravisSaps

    TravisSaps Devotee (341) Feb 3, 2007 Tennessee

    That sucks, sorry to hear that.
     
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  10. L-Space_Traveler

    L-Space_Traveler Devotee (319) Jun 2, 2013 Colorado
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    I don't know if anything like this would be possible - I have no knowledge at all of the zoning/licensing regulations in your area, but would it be worth considering opening up as a kind of rudimentary food service place with a BYOB policy where you could charge corkage fees and facilitate beer trades among like-minded craft beer drinkers?
     
  11. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Damnit! I've been reading this thread damn near every day and I was rooting for you Wade! Sucks you couldn't pull it off this time but keep trying, maybe at a different location. It's a small dream of mine to open up a little craft beer bar and I was learning a lot from your experiences. Please keep us informed if you happen to get back on track.
     
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  12. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Sorry to hear this Wade. I hope this only postpones your idea and doesn't kill it. I get the feeling you would have run a friendly pub.
     
  13. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    Only option i have is to do a restaurant. Considering my space and equipment, I don't know if this is feasible. I'm researching like crazy now.
     
  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Restaurant? Wow, cooks, chefs, servers, do you have any experience in restaurant management? Incredible difference between running and owning a beer bar, and engaging in food services. I'd bail and be done with it.
     
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  15. ltjska04

    ltjska04 Zealot (726) Jun 1, 2005 Kentucky

    Would you consider operating solely as a brewery/taproom? Last year I contacted the Kentucky ABC and it sounds like in your space the best you can do is sell beer you make on the premises. Here's what they told me (I was asking about wine & liquor but it's still applicable here. You may already know this.):

    The schedule M is the application packet paperwork you would need to apply for the producers license called a microbrewery, that would give you the right to produce up to 25,000 barrels of your own beer at that location. If you have a restaurant/bar in the same building at the same address a microbrewer can also hold a retail beer license, that would give you the right to sell your beer by the drink, or purchase other brands of beer from a beer distributor to sell to your consumer if you wanted other on top. If you wanted to also sell wine by the glass, you would have to have a restaurant that seats 50 people and has 50 % of the gross sales come from food. Then you could qualify for a restaurant wine license to go with your retail beer and microbrewery license. A schedule F packet, would give you the paperwork to apply for the restaurant wine and retail beer together.
     
  16. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    I believe i still run into the problem with consumption. But i have wondered if it changed things because a brewery is more production. Doubt it would fly.

    And to add to the restaurant thing, it would just be simple stuff. But I don't know if I could sell 51%.
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Enter food and lose your shirt. Without food experience, and added to running a beer bar the danger factor multiplied quite a bit. You have no losses to cut other than time and a dream, the field is littered with guys in financial distress with broken dreams, debt out the ass, and a failing business they were not prepared to take on. Bar Rescue is a prime example of guys losing funds, homes, retirement, and leveraged to the hilt, and over their head. Quit while your even.
     
  18. Hop_juice

    Hop_juice Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Wyoming


    You can always "buy" employees, friends, food to move food sales into an acceptable percentage. Cash sales and creative counting also help... That being said, the zoning mishap is really unfortunate.
     
  19. OldWade

    OldWade Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2013 Kentucky

    Well as ive said before i wont put myself In a position for those things to happen. That being said, your point is very valid.
     
  20. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Bummer, sorry to hear that things might not work out. I've also enjoyed reading this thread. Good luck with the variance.
     
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