Steam Beers?

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  1. Jande82

    Jande82 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2013 Louisiana

    I'm looking at doing a steam beer type brew for my next batch. Actually using wort from a local brewery, for a contest they're doing. I'm wanting to go completely off the wall is why I chose this route.

    Just wanted to see if anyone has any experience with brewing steam beers and could glean any knowledge you may could provide from your experiences with the style.

    I've got WL San Fran lager yeast and plan to ferment at 60 F.
     
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  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I'm probably alone on this, but I wouldn't single-hop using Northern Brewer hops :grimacing:
     
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  3. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    Style Guide for California Common from http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/

    Amber Hybrid Beer

    7B. California Common Beer
    Aroma: Typically showcases the signature Northern Brewer hops (with woody, rustic or minty qualities) in moderate to high strength. Light fruitiness acceptable. Low to moderate caramel and/or toasty malt aromatics support the hops. No diacetyl.

    Appearance: Medium amber to light copper color. Generally clear. Moderate off-white head with good retention.

    Flavor: Moderately malty with a pronounced hop bitterness. The malt character is usually toasty (not roasted) and caramelly. Low to moderately high hop flavor, usually showing Northern Brewer qualities (woody, rustic, minty). Finish fairly dry and crisp, with a lingering hop bitterness and a firm, grainy malt flavor. Light fruity esters are acceptable, but otherwise clean. No diacetyl.

    Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium to medium-high carbonation.

    Overall Impression: A lightly fruity beer with firm, grainy maltiness, interesting toasty and caramel flavors, and showcasing the signature Northern Brewer varietal hop character.

    History: American West Coast original. Large shallow open fermenters (coolships) were traditionally used to compensate for the absence of refrigeration and to take advantage of the cool ambient temperatures in the San Francisco Bay area. Fermented with a lager yeast, but one that was selected to thrive at the cool end of normal ale fermentation temperatures.

    Comments: This style is narrowly defined around the prototypical Anchor Steam example. Superficially similar to an American
    pale or amber ale, yet differs in that the hop flavor/aroma is woody/minty rather than citrusy, malt flavors are toasty and caramelly, the hopping is always assertive, and a warm-fermented lager yeast is used.

    Ingredients: Pale ale malt, American hops (usually Northern Brewer, rather than citrusy varieties), small amounts of toasted malt and/or crystal malts. Lager yeast, however some strains (often with the mention of "California" in the name) work better than others at the warmer fermentation temperatures (55 to 60°F) used. Note that some German yeast strains produce inappropriate sulfury character. Water should have relatively low sulfate and low to moderate carbonate levels.

    Vital Statistics:

    OG 1.048 - 1.054 FG 1.011 - 1.014 IBUs 30 - 45 SRM 10 - 14 ABV 4.5 - 5.5%

    Commercial Examples: Anchor Steam, Southampton West Coast Steam Beer, Old Dominion Victory Amber, Flying Dog Old Scratch Amber Lager


    For me, I wouldn't think it would be a stretch to add some Willamette hops but you would not want to overwhelm the Northern Brewer to remain true to the style.
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Unfortunately, the California Common style is very well defined. Probably the most well defined style we have. Anchor is the standard, for decades the only, and therefore everything else is going to have to be a comparison to Anchor Steam. Duvel might be the only other style that is so well defined.

    So...
    Changes to the standard recipe may result in a great beer but it will be less of a Cali Common style and more something else. Because this is a competition you should consider how your beer will be judged.

    Also, fwiw, many brewers shrug their shoulders when presented this style challenge. It's just not that great.

    I would personally change either the hops to something similar to NB or change the yeast but not both. The 2112 strain is supposed to present near lager yeast characteristics but you might have fun with something that has more character.

    Cheers.
     
  5. Jande82

    Jande82 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2013 Louisiana

    Thanks for the input guys.

    Just to let y'all know, the wort is for a black Lager. I believe their grain bill consists of pils and munich. already hopped with fuggles and hallertaur at close to 30IBUs. I'm planning on a 10 minute boil to re-pasteurize, and pitching 1oz German Perle, to add that minty character. Thinking pitching at 5 min. Going to pitch with WL810.

    As far as the contest goes, it's a go wild with ideas type thing, so I tried going as far out of the box as I could.
    Will let y'all know how it turns out.

    Thanks again.
     
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  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I did something similar to this: http://www.beersmith.com/Recipes2/recipe_120.htm and it came out excellent. I used a little Centennial as well. C hops blend really well with the yeast profile, (spicy, metallic)?
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Big Ditch Brewery in Buffalo makes a Schwartzbier using (IIRC) the Anchor/San Fran strain. It's quite good.
     
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  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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  9. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    At least the link spelled it right
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If you want this beer judged as a cal common, a black lager base beer will lead you to a not-to-style score. If the point of the contest is to "go wild," I think most judges will not consider this a very wild approach to using the wort. If the point is merely to make a delicious beer, I won't discourage you from using this yeast. I have made a few delicious beers with it, and most beers that try to go "wild" are disappointing, imo. I agree with vike that a schwarzbier could be the category to go with.
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I often put that "t" in where it does not belong... :rolling_eyes:
     
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