Sterilizing a Blichmann Beer Gun by Boiling?

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  1. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    My absentee brewing partner (who still doesn't grasp the idea of cross contamination despite exhaustive conversations about it) decided to fill some growlers the other day and ran a wild ale (brett, lacto, pedio) through my blichmann beer gun. I now need to fill some non-wild ale bottles directly off of kegs for competition entries. I don't want them getting infected by running them through the now tainted beer gun. I'm thinking the best was to sterilize the beer gun is one of the following:

    1. Remove the rubber tip, drop the gun in boiling water for (X) amount of time, put a brand new rubber tip on
    2. Remove the rubber tip, bake the gun in the oven at (Y) temperature for (X) amount of time, put a brand new rubber tip on

    Can anybody help me with the following?

    Solving for X in each option
    Solving for Y
    Deciding which method might be better
    Deciding if I'm going to destroy my beer gun by using either method
    Deciding if there is a better option
     
    #1 koopa, Jul 8, 2014
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  2. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I hold with those who favor fire. Or heat, anyway. Palmer provides the following timetable for sterilizing bottles with heat. I expect it'd be accurate for a beer gun as well:

    Dry Heat Sterilization
    Temperature
    Duration
    338°F (170°C)
    60 minutes
    320°F (160°C)
    120 minutes
    302°F (150°C)
    150 minutes
    284°F (140°C)
    180 minutes
    250°F (121°C)
    12 hours (Overnight)
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Perhaps email Blichmann and ask which they recommend as the best option? Hopefully they will have an understanding of how their product will do at these temps.

    You probably realize that boiling is not quite the same as sterilizing, but I quibble. Alternatively, maybe a sanitizer soak is all you need.
     
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  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I would probably bake it, this assumes the rubber tip is the only non-metal part.
     
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  5. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I vote for heat and new soft parts (seals gaskets, whatever is in there).
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Disassemble, brush everything out, soak in PBW, brush it out soak in sanitizer of you choice. reassemble.

    Run beer line cleaner through the line, let it soak, run SS through the line, let it soak. Flush the assembly out with SS.
     
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  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I've had no problems thus far, by simply keeping Starsan in an extra keg and "continuously baptizing" my Blickman beer gun after use and then simply "douching" the outside before using. Granted: I've only bottled 2 sours while using the beer gun for mostly traditional non-sour applications...but, so far-so good. :slight_smile:

    The soft tip always gets stored separately, and the "warm gun/happiness" is always flushed immediatly after use. :grinning:
     
  8. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I think you're over worrying on this. Unless your friend let the Beergun sit unwahsed for a few days I think there's absolutely nothing that normal sanitation with Starsan or iodophor won't cure. Take hopfenunmaltz's advice and you should be alright.
     
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  9. MeisterSmudge

    MeisterSmudge Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2010 Indiana

    If you clean it well, sanitize it with starsan, and replace the rubber/plastics you will be fine.
     
  10. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Although I'm sure the sanitation procedures above would all be fine, why not invest in another? I know those things are kind of expensive, but it wouldn't be so bad if you split the cost with your partner. Sounds like you would appreciate having two of these many times down the road as well.
     
  11. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I agree with rocdoc and hopfenundmalz. After all, there are plenty of souring bugs in the air around us at all times, yet infected batches are pretty rare after we reach a decent level of brewing proficiency. However, I tend to be paranoid and would probably want to heat sanitize as well. I would soak everything non-rubber in a hot (190+F) solution of PBW or oxygen cleaner for 15 minutes or so. You don't need too much contact time to kill bacteria because the metal will heat up fast but you might want an extended soak if the beergun is not sparkling clean. Then rinse well with hot tap water and soak in Star San until the next use (more to remove alkaline residue than for additional sanitation).

    Your buddy did at least clean and do a normal sanitizing on the beergun after filling the growlers, right?
     
  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Thanks for the I itial replies everybody. @FeDUBBELFIST I have two beer guns already. The older one got appropriated for wild ales and this brand new one was supposed to be for non-wilds only, but he made a mistake. He didn't realize the beer he ran through it was made with wild yeast and bacteria.

    As for cleaning after, I haven't asked him but would 100% guess he just ran water through it and did not do a sanitizer soak. Its now been 10 days since thhe cross contamination too. I just found out about it last night.
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Reminds me, I need to buy some new tips for mine for issues like this.

    I'd probably do a HOT HOT PBW soak of everything. Brush it out, soak it more. Pull it, rinse it, starsan soak, brush it some more.

    Assemble it, and run some SS through it again. I'd probably be okay with that myself.

    Or you could drop it in your kettle of strike water next brewday, minus the rubber tip.
     
  14. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Personally, I would:

    1. Soak hot PBW soln, scrub, and rinse. Replace rubber fittings.
    2. Hook up to spigot of my BK and run boiling water through a few times.
    3. Boil the gun for a few minutes.
    4. Final soak in some SS soln prior to bottling.
     
  15. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I'll give blichmann credit for the beer gun design lending itself to easy cleaning. In essence 4 pieces come in contact with the beer. 2 stainless tubes, one stainless clip and a rubber end. Come to think of it I assume they are stainless.... Probably should read the product description again. All four can be removed from the gun and isolated. Heating some pbw solution up in the boil kettle now......
     
  16. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Went with:

    PBW heated up in my boil kettle
    Stainless beer gun parts that come in contact w/ beer added @100F
    Removed after PBW solution had boiled for 15 minutes

    NOTE: PBW website recommends 130F - 180F range for general cleaning

    Vinyl hoses also added @ 100F but removed @ 160F

    All equipment then added to sanitizer (after cooling closer to room temp) and soaked for about 20 minutes. Will soak in sanitizer again prior to using equipment next time.

    NOTE: beer gun parts were also brushed @ 140F, 160F, after the boil)

    NOTE: as mentioned previously, rubber tip of beer gun will be replaced (old one will serve as a back up for my other beer gun I now use exclusively for wild ales
     
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  17. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    NOTE: Vinyl hoses and stainless parts were added to 2 separate sanitizer containers
     
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