Stir Plate - Fermentation Start

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  1. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Just used my new Hanna stir plate on a yeast starter for a Munich Helles lager. It's been vortexing on the stir plate for around almost 18 hours and still looks the same (as in no krausen or visual difference). Any thoughts on this? Should I turn the stir plate off? Are lager yeasts different (this is my first)? Please advise!
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  2. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Did you see bubbles coming up? Some lager yeasts don't have much krausen on the first pitch in the starter - you did not say which one. Turn it off and see if you get a white layer that settles out.
     
  3. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    I used the Wyeast Munich Lager #2308. I'll try turning off and seeing what settles I guess. Didn't notice any bubbles before I went to bed or when I woke up.
     
  4. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    That looks like a very small starter. Even with a more average sized starter (ie ~1.5L) it can ferment out very quickly while you aren't looking. With one the size you've got there (750ml?) it could happen in no time. My guess is it's done.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You need to step that up a few more time to have enough for 5 gallons of lager. You may see more going on in the later steps.

    mrmalty.com, or this one for multiple steps.
    http://www.yeastcalc.com/index.html
     
  6. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Do you suggest just repitching the starter in another liter or 2 of fresh starter wort again? Do I need to "clean" the yeast before hand or anything?
     
  7. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    What's the ambient temperature ? if its to cold the yeast will get sluggish
     
  8. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Around 60.
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You already have a sanitized container you can add more wort to. You can even decant off the yeast once it has settled out.

    Remember that lager yeasts will do fine in the 50F range. If he is doing that starter at room temperature, that is fine for making starters of lager yeast. 60F should be OK for lager yeast, but it might take a little longer. I have some in the basement at about 62-63F and they have finished. Now have 2 4 liter starters to pitch for a Pilsner.
     
  10. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    How big of a starter do you recommend for a 5.5% Munich Helles? I went with a 1-Liter only as of now.
     
  11. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You need 404 billion cells from yeastcalc. Assuming a very fresh package, and it looks like you have 0.5 liter already, so that gives you 164 billion cells. Let those flocc out, pour off the liquid, and add it to 2 L and you will have ~412 billion when done with the 2L starter. Looks like the flask is 2 L.

    The liquid can be poured off and fresh put in for the second step.
     
  13. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    According to BeerSmith it told me I needed 238 billion cells for this recipe. Is that program funky with calculations sometimes? Also, how many cups of DME do you generally add to 1 Liter of water for the boil? I went with the 1/2 Cup per 2 cups of water method and did 4 Cups of Water (1 liter) with 1 Cup of DME. Am I off in my calculation?
     
  14. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Clearly we are talking lager yeast here, but the initial stage of starting the yeast is around 70 F, after pitching the yeast you need to keep the right yeast strain temp.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    How big is your batch, not familiar with beersmith, but most calculators have a drop down for ale, hybrid, lager yeast. You need a bunch for a lager. My yeast calc was for 5.5 gallons, 1.055 OG, lager yeast and a stir plate.
     
  16. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I will start the yeast in around 70F
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Yes, one can then crash the yeast in the fridge, then pitch the cold yeast into 45F wort. That is the way I do it, with good success for lagers. I have been brewing lagers for a long time and brew a lot of them.
     
  18. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Doing a 3 gallon batch.
     
  19. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I have very little experience with lagers, but good wake up call involves worm environment.
     
  20. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    So I let the starter ferment out at 70 and put it in the fridge after it is complete until brew day from your experience?
     
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