Stir Plate - Fermentation Start

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  1. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    OP, I have never seen a krausen on any of my starters either when using a stir plate. Yesterday while brewing I added some wort to my decanted starter to waken the yeast and after stirring for 15 minutes I took it off the stir plate and took the following video. There was no krausen visible while on the stir plate but apparently there was activity. I wouldn't be worried about it.

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    The yeast was a WLP007 Dry English Ale (highly floculant).

    DME is about 43-45 pts/lb/gallon.

    44 pts/lb/gal * (4 qts / 1 gal) = 176 pts/lb/qt = 176 pts/16 oz/qt = 11 pts/oz/qt

    11 pts/oz/qt * 2 oz. (= 1.4 cup) = 22 pts/qt = 1.022 gravity

    1/4 cup or 2 oz. per quart of starter is what I use. (1 quart is 0.95 liter so 1.021 gravity)
     
  2. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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  3. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    Put it in the frig for a day or two and you should see the yeast settled on the bottom. At that point you can gently pour off the liquid on top and either use the yeast for brewing or add new DME to step up your starter for a higher cell count.
     
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  4. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Start on 70F Ferment on what you recipe say.
     
  5. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    Does it matter though? As long as you are in the 60s it seems like any off flavors that may be created by a lager yeast at that temp would not be an issue if you decant the liquid prior to adding to your wort. Shouldn't any off flavor be poured out with the liquid and not hang around? Plus, WL says to pitch between 70-75 on the label, even for lager yeasts (at least 820 and 830).
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    It will go a little faster at 70F, but time for a starter is no big deal, and my basement temp is what it is this time of year ~62F. The yeast will actually grow the best at about 90F or so, but do you want to do that?

    They say a lot of things so that the average or beginning homebrewer can make OK beer. If you want to brew lagers that taste like a German lager and are not full of Diacetyl, cool the wort to 5 F below you target, pitch the yeast, and let it rise. Yeast management in the fermentation is how you make excellent beer, especially if brewing a lager.
     
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  7. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Good info all around guys. Thanks! One more question I would have, since this is my first lager. When pitching the yeast in my carboy after the brewing is complete....do I start fermenting my primary at 70 and gradually lower to the 55 degree mark or just start fermenting right away at 55?
     
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I don't even start my ales at 70F. The rule of thumb is to pitch the yeast 5-6F lower than the temp you want to use, and let it rise up to that temp.

    Determine the temp you can maintain, say 55F, then pitch at 5F below that, or pitch at 50F.
     
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  9. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Sorry to sound like an amateur here... When you say to pitch 5-6 degree lower? Do you mean to make sure that my yeast starter temp is at 5-6 lower or the wort itself I'm pitching into?
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The yeast should be as cool or cooler. I was talking the wort temp.
     
  11. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    So after using my immersion chiller to bring down to like 70 or 65 at most, it would be fine to pop the carboy in a temp controlled fridge for a bit to get down to 50 and THEN pitch the yeast in?
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Many do just that.
     
  13. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Thanks for the info.
     
  14. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Also just saw the Wyeast smack pack I purchased had a date of 8/23/12 on it. I'm sure that isn't helping me.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Make a larger second step if you are doing a second.
     
  16. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Like a full 2L?
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Run the numbers in yeast calc and decide for your self. At this point you should be able to do that.

    Edit - it has the yeast manufacture date that helps to set it for older yeasts.
     
  18. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Use yeastcalc.com it does stepped starters super-well.
     
  19. Oneinchaway

    Oneinchaway Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2011 California
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    Yea, used Mr. Malty. Looks like I'd need 8 packs for this one or an equivalent cell count. Brew day might be a few days later than I originally expected with this. Thanks for all your input though!
     
  20. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I hope this help
    If you jump the video to 6:51 you will get temperature instructions
     
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