storing beer temp

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by brureview, Jul 31, 2012.

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  1. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    If I am storing beer at 70F( room temp) during the warm months, will the beer deteriorate?

    I noticed that a few unrefrigerated bottles of beer, some at lower ABVs,( Brooklyn Lager) and higher ABVs ( Fin Du Monde) didn't taste as good after storing them at higher room temps for several months.
    I probably should have left the Brooklyn in the refrigerator, but what about the Fin Du Monde?

    In general, what is the highest temp to store beer to prevent it from degrading?
     
  2. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    Warmer temperatures can cause beers to age faster than they would at a lower temp.

    I keep mine in my kitchen cupboard, which stays around 66-70 during the summer. I usually don't store more than 2-3 beers for longer than a year. That being said, I haven't noticed any of mine decreasing in quality. If I'm really worried, then I will toss some bottles in the fridge. I, personally, wouldn't worry if your planning on keeping them for a few months. A few years though, I can't say that it would be the most ideal option...

    Also, I don't age triples so I can't comment on La Fin Du Monde.
     
  3. knightlypint

    knightlypint Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2012 New Jersey

    I try to store beer in my fridge regardless of style, I'd rather err on the side of too cold rather than too warm.

    That said, I sometimes exceed my fridge's capacity (about 28 bottles/pints) and have to hold the excess beers at room temperature. When that happens I prefer to hold barleywines and doppelbocks at room temperature because those styles tend to be more robust at elevated temperatures.
     
  4. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I "cellar" at room temp in a dark closet. Haven't seen any negatives yet, then again I haven't been sitting on anything for more than three years or so.
     
  5. Shmeal

    Shmeal Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon

    I cellar beer at 55-57F in my wine cooler. Compressor won't kick on unless there is a 1 or 2 degree deviation. Not sure if that's the right temp either.
     
  6. knightlypint

    knightlypint Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2012 New Jersey

    regarding LFDM...

    I recall that beer having a lot of sediment and high ABV so I think it could handle room temps for an extended period.

    A LFDM observation...there's something about that brewer's whole line of beers, they taste peculiar, like even when fresh there's something wrong. I won't drink those beers anymore. Maybe with LFDM you picked up on the same thing, and it wasn't a storage temp issue.
     
  7. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    In another post you suggested that I may need a lower temp to cellar. Are your closet beers "cellared"?
    I have a difficult time distinguishing between "cellaring" and "storing". Does storing actually change the taste of the beer to make it better? Or is that only done through the proper temp?
     
  8. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    What kind of of wine cooler do you have?
     
  9. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    Obviously, I can't speak for them...but to me:

    Storing = buying more beer than you can drink at once, and keeping it until you do (weeks, etc)
    Cellaring = buying beer with the intention of letting it age for a certain period of time before you drink it.


    ...so depending on how long you "store" it, the flavor could change.
     
  10. Shmeal

    Shmeal Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon

    I just got a FranklinChef 100 bottle wine cooler. You can fit a lot more than that if you swap out the wine shelves for conventional shelves though.
     
  11. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    That's pretty much why I put cellaring in quotes, I am technically just storing beer since I am not holding it at cellar temps. The results are up to much debate, in my humble opinion as long as you keep your beer in a dark place and keep it from huge changes in temperature you'll be fine. Will the beer improve over time?.....well some do but most don't (at least what seems the consensus on this site).

    Pretty much everyone can agree that if you want to hold a beer for an extended period of time without it changing the colder the better, so really this all comes down to what you expect/want from your cellaring.
     
  12. HighWine

    HighWine Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 Illinois

    I used to cellar in a wine fridge (with bottles stored upright) at 54 degrees but I found the beers were just a bit too warm when I wanted to drink them. I dropped it to 50 and like that temp. Not too cold, but appropriate for aging. I've outgrown capacity in my initial "cellar" so I'm storing some crazy good beers in a second fridge for the time being. I'm going to buy an upright freezer and install a temp control on it soon, though, so I can have more capacity at 50 degrees. My wine fridge is small (about 2x2x3.5) so it is a good option for people in apartments or those with limited space. Just be careful and don't get in the habit of over-aging once you build up a cellar. You'll hate yourself when that 6 year old bourbon Barleywine gushes all over your floor and tastes like an oude bruin once you finally find an occasion special enough to open it!
     
  13. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    54 is fine for aging. In fact it's great.

    Be careful with freezers. Maybe sure that they are frost free. If it's not you'll have mold issues.
     
  14. stakem

    stakem Grand Pooh-Bah (4,070) Feb 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps I have drank too much tonight because I read this statement more than 3 times and cant make any sense of it. Is it an inside joke? Or do you have cellar fairies that add extra fermentables and wild bacteria to your beer once it gets to be 6 years old?
     
  15. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    I store mine in a fridge around 40-45 degrees and have been doing so for a couple years. A buddy of mine and I decided to do an aging test between my fridge and his just keeping it in a closet in the basement around 55-60 degrees. We tested last years Rumpkin (awesome beer no matter when you try it) and did a side by side a couple weeks ago. The one that was stored in the fridge at a cooler temp seemed to have mellowed and blended a lot more than his. We have two more about 6 months away I will have to report back on.

    Next two beers we'll be testing: 2011 Abyss and Brain of the Turtle

    Stay tuned...
     
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  16. jewellrunner

    jewellrunner Pundit (895) Dec 18, 2010 Missouri

    My cellar has definitely hit the 70s this year. Guess I'll wait and see, but I'm with the poster above who said as long as it is in the dark and doesn't have extreme, rapid temp changes, it will be fine.
     
  17. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Let me know. I find that before 30 days, lower abv beers taste better stored outside the fridge. But not all beers....
    I refridgerate Dale's Deviant right away. Brooklyn Lager stays outside the fridge.
     
  18. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I think it comes down to how long you will store the beer. Some beers, like Brooklyn Lager, can be stored outside the fridge for about 30 days. You have to experiment. I store my higher ABV beers in a closet.

    The bigger issue for me is how to prepare them for serving temp.
    My preferred method: store at room temp, then put them in the freezer.
    I freeze a 9% abv 12 oz for about 30-35 minutes and get the right temp. I also feel the bottle
    and I can tell approximately what the temp is. A lower abv has to be in the freezer longer to get to a lower temp.

    I have had mixed results with the fridge and warming up the beer for serving. This includes recent beers like
    Bengali Tiger. I do refrigerate Deviant Dale's right away.

    How about long term refrigeration? I had a bottle of Smuttynose Winter Ale in the fridge of 3 months. It was great and far superior to when I originally served it.

    Two important Factors: what is the turnover of the lower ABV beers in your liquor store, and also
    does the beer do well with continuous refrigeration? I am still experimenting.

    Let me know.
     
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