Stout with strawberry flavor ("Scooop")?

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  1. PDXAmbassador

    PDXAmbassador Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Florida
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    Has anyone cracked the code for getting significant natural strawberry flavor in a stout...without the tartness that comes from adding a pound+ / gallon of fresh berries? Something like the famed Cycle / 3 Sons Scooop, it tastes creamy instead of jammy. How?

    If extract....what extract have you found works well without tasting artificial?

    If fresh berries...do you add baking soda or somehow raise the Ph to avoid the berry sourness?

    Any feedback with ideas or actual experiences is welcome.
     
  2. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    From my experience adding vanilla beans and/or some lactose will mellow the tartness of the strawberries. Done this in at least 3 beers now (cream ale, stout, milkshake ipa) and would say tartness was low with a very nice strawberry flavor. I'll always add that you should freeze fresh fruit before adding to increase the flavor and sanitizing the fruit is up to you (i've done nothing, heated to 160-180, and campden tablets and they all had same flavor profile)
     
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  3. PDXAmbassador

    PDXAmbassador Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Florida
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    Hmm that's just not been my experience. Maybe my strawberries weren't ripe enough but man, they made for one tart stout lol.
     
  4. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    it would have to be some sort of extract. From everything I’ve read strawberries are pretty much the hardest fruit to work with as it can take a metric ton of them to get any flavor and you’ll often end up with some significant off flavors, plastic ones. Listening to a somewhat recent Sour Hour (I think) they were discussing this breweries beer with strawberry and asking how they got such an awesome strawberry flavor and if I’m not mistaken it was a freeze dried product they used.

    May or may not be helpful as it was a sour beer...
     
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  5. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    So you've tried both vanilla and lactose? In a stout you really shouldn't have much trouble with tartness especially with strawberries since the thickness of the beer should cover up most of it. Maybe try adding less of them and see how it comes out. I've made some raspberry beers that came out with a lot of tartness making it almost a sour. Haven't had the same effect with strawberries. You could try raising the ph. I usually go higher mash ph for stouts anyway

    You could try extract but If you chop it up and freeze your fruit it doesn't take a metric ton to get the flavor. Out of the fruits I've used blueberries are the hardest to get the flavor from.
     
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  6. PDXAmbassador

    PDXAmbassador Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Florida
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    Vanilla yes, lactose no ...but I mash high and the FG is huge so lactose (which I don't love in stout's and tend to avoid) shouldn't make a huge difference right?

    I do indeed raise Ph in the mash a good amount with baking soda, but am only starting to experiment with the fine art of post-fermentation Ph adjustment.

    I'll experiment and let y'all know how it goes.
     
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  7. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    Lactose would add some sweetness to offset some of the tartness but probably not a huge difference. Have only messed with ph in mash so can't say for sure about changing later but I am trying to get better at taking readings at the end so I can compare to others brews better.

    Let us know how the experiment goes!
     
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  8. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I dosed a solid am imp stout out with quite a bit of strawberry extract, that works very well for me in other beers, it was barely perceptible, less than subtle. Maybe find a back-sweetened strawberry wine to blend.

    It’s just a tall wall to jump for one of the most delicate of fruit flavors.
     
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  9. PDXAmbassador

    PDXAmbassador Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Florida
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    Ah shucks. I have a full 4oz bottle of the stuff. I haven't opened it to see if I enjoy the aroma or whether it'll come across as "natural" haha. I am somewhat afraid not just of insufficient strawberry, but artificial strawberry.
     
  10. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Add 0.5 to 0.75 lb lactose per 5 gallons. Ta-da.
     
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  11. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Dose a 2oz sample and taste it.
     
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  12. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Anybody ever tried cooking the strawberry? Like purée it, caramelize it, cool it, and then rack beer on top?
     
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  13. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    For my strawberry Belgian blonde, I use 2-3 pounds per gallon. I purée the strawberries and then freeze for a few days. I then rack beer onto the strawberries for a secondary. With all that being said, I get a lot of strawberry in my beer but it does come off a little tart, (which doesn’t bother me at all). If you are kegging, you could use a randal and run the beer through some fresh strawberries to get more of the sweetness and flavor. I’ve thought about doing that before but I personally enjoy the way fermented strawberries taste.
     
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