Stuck Sparge solved by Emergency Brew in a Bag -- Again

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I've been getting stuck sparges (I batch sparge) in my copper manifold in a few of my last several brews. Last summer, I blamed it on recipes that had spelt and corn grits, but today, it happened in a recipe of 100% 2-row basemalt. The grits clearly had clogged the manifold. The spelt had no husk material and was probably a big sticky. But the two row? I think it was a fluke. Just one of those things.

    The technique I developed for dealing with this is to scoop out the mash into a paint strainer and strain into my kettle: Emergency Brew In a Bag. I then transfer the grains back to the mash tun for the second dose of sparge water. Today, the second runnings lautered like a charm during the second batch sparge, but the previous time, I had to repeat the scoop and E-BIAB. Anyhow, an emergency paint strainer in your toolbox might not be a bad item to keep around.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Did you try blowing air up the hose first? This may be a method that works best for bazooka tubes/false bottoms, but I have seen several people mention this as a solution.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    In the past, yes, and it didn't help. This time I restirred the mash and still had problems, so I went straight to the bag. Of course, I keep a supply of rice hulls on hands for adjunct brews, but never thought to use them in this simple mash. I think I'll adopt the use of a few handfuls of rice hulls for good measure, too.
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    "I think I'll adopt the use of a few handfuls of rice hulls for good measure, too"

    ...my standard operating procedure for just about every mash
     
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  5. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    something similar to JohnSnow's suggestion, I would underlet the grain bed with the sparge water (push sparge water into the outlet) and start lauter phase again. Was a helpful band-aid...but it's time to troubleshoot. Has your grain crush changed? Do you crush your own grain...if so, have you ever tried to condition your malt? If not, maybe your hb shop could increase their gap spacing or see if malt conditioning is something they'd be interested in doing. With batch sparging, are you just opening up your outlet to let flow full bore (because that could be a problem)?
     
  6. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Yeah I used to scoff at rice hulls but they really are a godsend with any percentage of unmalted ingredients. Cheap and easy to store too.
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Want to hear something pretty crazy? This operation -- shoveling out the grains, straining, shoveling back in, and doing the second sparge -- apparently raised my extraction efficiency considerably. I expected a petite saison but instead, have the real deal, OG 1.052. I calculated a 90% extraction efficiency. I'm usually in the low 70s% zone.
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I get my grains crushed by the supplier, in this case, Midwest supplies, whose crush usually gives me 70-72% efficiency. As I indicated earlier, I had much higher efficiency on this batch, which could either be the crush or my goofy procedure. If the crush changed, than yes, you might be on to something.

    My batch sparge procedure for over 100 batches has been to open the outlet part way during the vorlauf phase and then switch to full throttle during the transfer phase. Just letting her rip is the Denny Conn approach: http://byo.com/stories/item/448-cheap-and-easy-batch-sparging (see step 5 of Your First Batch Sparge). I have experienced 6 stuck sparges, and until today, they have all been in high adjunct beers, including two beers with grits, one with spelt, one with oats, and one with malted rye. Four of those were in 2012, but I have brewed beers with oats, rye, and wheat in the past and not had issues.

    But I agree that this might not be random flukiness and welcome troubleshooting. One thing I did during my clean up phase today was to pay special attention to the copper manifold. I was thinking that it might be more gummed up than a simple rinse will take care of, so I used dental floss to clean out all the slots (there was some gummy residues, but it didn't prevent me from lautering during my second effort today). I'll be brewing again this weekend. It's another 100% two row batch, but I plan to use rice hulls this time.
     
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  9. jsullivan02130

    jsullivan02130 Devotee (353) Mar 28, 2007 Massachusetts

    I batch sparge with a stainless braided hose. After a couple of stuck sparges I now always envelope it in a muslin bag. Easy and quick, and it guarantees I'll will never, ever have a stuck sparge again. The downside is a bit of extra cleaning, but very much worth it to me.
     
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  10. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Guess it could be considered one upside to a stuck sparge...all the mixing & slow draining will do that for you.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I think all the mixing gets a lot of credit, as once I was able to get some flow, I drained fast, as per the denny conn batch sparge method.
     
  12. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    right, i didn't clarify earlier...meant opening full bore right off the bat. My only thought is that a stuck sparge shouldn't happen with 100% malted barley...but you sound like you're on top of it and have a back up plan in case of emergency. Cheers
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I know someone who bought a sack of (IIRC) Golden Promise that always resulted in stuck sparges, and he had no problems with other grains. I wonder if natural variation in the grain batch might have contributed to pweis909's issue.
     
  14. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I had my first ever stuck sparge on my last batch, it was a hef that had been decocted to hell and back, so I think that what sat at the bottom had time to really compact and clog the hose, even with a pound of rice hulls tossed in and repeated stirring. I found that quickly altering between sucking through the hose and then blowing back was the most effective method, and the thing stuck several times both on mashout and batch sparge, so I had some practice at it. I use a stainless mesh manifold, and found that sucking some of the clog out through the other end is helpful in dislodging the material that is blocking the flow. I'm guessing it was wheat that slowly filtered through the manifold and congealed there, so blowing it back through wasn't enough to unstick it.
     
  15. primrose54

    primrose54 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2009 Ohio

    maybe your copper manifold holes are to big, or your crushing your grains to fine.
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Slots in the manifold are about the thickness of a dime and worked find for a 100 batches - that's not the problem. The crush is a possibility as I don't crush my grains myself. Midwest Supplies crushed the grains. They didn't look noticeably finer, although my efficiency shot up with this batch.
     
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